Ontological Argument for existence of the Universe (contradiction, bible, bless)

[stemann]

There is no single Ontological Argument for the existence of the Universe; the term is used as a general "umbrella" covering all a priori proofs of the Universe's existence. An early, simplistic form of the argument runs like this:

1) God exists (principle of existence)
2) Something must have created God, he cannot "come into existence" by "accident" [as some crazy auniversalists illogically believe] (principle of causality)
3) Whatever caused God must be a necessary being (principle of necessity)
4) Whatever caused God must be like God [big, annoying, made out of hydrogen] (principle of analogy)
5) The only being whose existence is necessary and who is big, annoying and made of hydrogen is the universe
6) Therefore, the universe must logically exist.

Statements 1 through 5 cannot be logically refuted without contradiction, therefore statement 6 must logically follow. Besides, it says so in the Bible.

It's all described in this book: "How not to dispense Logic (and how to confuse the heck out of people who don't know any better)" by "Unthinking Religious Pseudoscientist."

Universe Bless.

[fantôme profane]

Originally Posted by stemann

6) Therefore, the universe must logically exist.

Can’t argue with that.


Consider this:

1. It is known that there are an infinite number of worlds, simply because there is an infinite amount of space for them to be in.



2. However, not every one of them is inhabited. Any finite number divided by infinity is as near nothing as makes no odds, so the average population of all the planets in the Universe can be said to be zero.



3. From this it follows that the population of the whole Universe is also zero, and that any people you may meet from time to time are merely products of a deranged imagination.



-Douglas Adams

So if I don’t exist, and you are merely a product of my deranged imagination, then there is no way we can have a logical debate about things like the universe, or God, or blue cheese for that matter . So I am just going to go to bed. Good night.

[stemann]

Yes, I have read that quote many a time in the original book from which it comes. However, infinite number of worlds, not every one of them is inhabited, there can still be an infinite number of inhabited worlds (every second one is inhabited, for example). Why is there a ladybird on my keyboard at 2 o'clock in the morning? It looks like it was in a fight.