Religious Education Forum  

Welcome to Religious Forums
Welcome Guest to ReligiousForums.com . You are currently not registered. When you become registered you will be able to interact with our large base of already registered users discussing topics. Some annoying Ads will also disappear when you register. Registering doesn't cost a thing and only takes a few seconds. We provide areas to chat and debate all World Religions. Please go to our register page!

Home Who's Online Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   Religious Education Forum / Religious Topics / Religious Debates
Sitemap Popular RF Forums REGISTER Search Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-09-2006, 09:04 PM
Sunstone's Avatar
Sunstone Offline
Religion: Girls On Trampolines!
Title:De diablo del fora
Above and Beyond Award:  - Issue reason: Link Exchange project Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: 10,000 posts Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason:  Humor Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Colorado, USA
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,799
Frubals: 4715821
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Sunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal WhoreSunstone is a Frubal Whore
Default Personal Revelation vs. Biblical Revelation?

If one has a personal revelation of the Cosmos, does the information or truth gathered from that personal revelation supersede any biblical revelation?


For instance, suppose one had a revelation that everything was connected to everything else and that there was no such thing as positive evil (i.e. evil that exists in and of itself), but that evil was instead a lack or absence of good. Furthermore, suppose this could be taken to contradict the biblical revelation that Satan exists and so does evil. IF this were the case, which revelation, the personal or the biblical, would be the deciding revelation?

If one claims the biblical revelation must be the superseding revelation, then does that mean biblical revelation is complete and will never be changed or modified?

Does someone else's personal revelation have the same validity for us as does biblical revelation? Should we believe what is revealed to Smith by personal experience just as much as we believe what is revealed to us by the bible?

If one claims personal revelation has no validity, then how does one reconcile that view to the fact that so much of the bible is account after account of personal revelation?
__________________
Then I came back from where I'd been.
My room, it looked the same -
but there was nothing left between
The Nameless and the name.
- Leonard Cohen.

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 07-09-2006, 09:07 PM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Offline
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,145
Frubals: 2014632
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Default

Nicely done.
__________________
if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-09-2006, 09:12 PM
Bright-ness' Shadow Offline
Title:Uber Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 12,940
Frubals: 247061
Bright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond repute
Bright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Biblical revelation seems to be what some call the inspiration of God given to the bible's authors. Biblical revelation must then be second-hand revelation until it is confirmed by personal revelation.

Last edited by Bright-ness' Shadow; 07-09-2006 at 09:17 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-09-2006, 09:15 PM
Bishka's Avatar
Bishka Offline
Religion: Christian - LDS
Title:BANNED
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: This was given to your for the milestone of reaching 10,000 posts. Creative Thread Award:  - Issue reason: This was given to you by your peers based on the numerous, quality thread you have created. 
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Gender: Female
Posts: 18,629
Frubals: 855920
Bishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Bishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Bishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBishka has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pah
Biblical revelation must then be second-hand revelation until it is confirmed by persoanl revelation.
Amen!
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 07-09-2006, 09:31 PM
PHOTOTAKER's Avatar
PHOTOTAKER Offline
Title:Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 1,032
Frubals: 45205
PHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud of
PHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud ofPHOTOTAKER has much to be proud of
Default

Personal revelation is for only the person receiving it, well at least most of the time, cretin truths that may be temporary like to slow down in the car or more permanent (well for this example time and eternity) marriage by finding the one you love, this is only for the person that is seeking this answer and the receiver is the only one that truly understands the meaning of it...

Biblical revelation is for all it stands laterally the test of time it is true in the beginning as it is at the end and forever... it teaches universal truths...
__________________
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one call things in Christ... EPH 1:10
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-09-2006, 09:46 PM
Bright-ness' Shadow Offline
Title:Uber Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Gender: Undisclosed
Posts: 12,940
Frubals: 247061
Bright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond repute
Bright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond reputeBright-ness' Shadow has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PHOTOTAKER
...Biblical revelation is for all it stands laterally the test of time it is true in the beginning as it is at the end and forever... it teaches universal truths...
I don't understand the universal nature of the Bible. How can differing printed versions, different interpretaions, and varying dogma based on the contents of the Bible qualify it as universal. Unless you mean some truths within scripture are universal.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-09-2006, 10:30 PM
Super Universe's Avatar
Super Universe Offline
Religion: Urantian/Wingmaker
Title:Uber Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: It's beautiful...
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,448
Frubals: 165108
Super Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond repute
Super Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond reputeSuper Universe has a reputation beyond repute
Default

How was the revelation given to those who wrote the bible?

I know some of it, especially the NT books, was direct observation but I wouldn't consider that the same as revelation.

Often any new idea is immediately rejected by organized religions, as if there is nothing more spiritual that we need to learn. "The bible is all you need," they will say. But there is so much that the bible does not explain. There is much confusion in it. And there are blatant lies.

Why do people believe that God stopped revealing things to us two thousand years ago?

It truly has never stopped!

Buddha and Mohammad did not come up with their ideas on their own. The Hindu faith has God as three types, sound familiar to the trinity? The native Americans had their own connection to revelation. Joseph Smith experienced an amazing vision.
Einstein established a connection, although his revelation came in the form of pure mathematics. The Urantia Book. Wingmakers...

How do you know what to believe and what to discount? Trust yourself. Beware anyone telling you what you experienced. Only you know. Use your own logic to decide what to believe for only you are responsible. How terrible it would be for you to dismiss signs specifically meant for you.

A man can write down that he saw a coin magically disappear. From his view, it did just that. But what did you see?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-10-2006, 04:08 AM
Jayhawker Soule's Avatar
Jayhawker Soule Offline
Religion: naturalism
Title:Supporter
Prolific Poster Award:  - Issue reason: You have acheived over 10,000 posts here at RF. Congrats! Scholarship Award:  - Issue reason:  
 
Join Date: May 2004
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,145
Frubals: 2014632
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Jayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal WhoreJayhawker Soule is a Frubal Whore
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Universe
How was the revelation given to those who wrote the bible? I know some of it, especially the NT books, was direct observation
No, you believe it was direct observation.
__________________
if G-d ( G-d is not 'X' for all 'X' )
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-10-2006, 05:08 AM
Bouncing Ball's Avatar
Bouncing Ball Online!
Title:Bucephalus
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,320
Frubals: 758534
Bouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Bouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Bouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman IslandsBouncing Ball has a stash of frubals in the Cayman Islands
Default

Ehr, isn't personal revelation supposed to be a seduction of the devil? Or could. as it is opposing the bible..
__________________
All we need is a little patience..
Reply With Quote