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Old 10-05-2004, 01:16 PM
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Funny thing Jensa - I would say that many Atheists and Agnostics (like Retrorich) would view the question from the other side - Is it possible to be happy with God?
*laughs!* I'd never thought of it that way, TVOR! That is an interesting concept, though.

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If we can be happy on our own, then how come we are not all happy yet?
That's like saying, "If everyone can eat, why are there hungry people?" Just because there is the capacity to do something, it doesn't mean it will happen.

That, and some people just aren't happy unless they're miserable.

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And how come those who become happy continually fall down into despair?
Because we're human, and we continually fall on our asses and make fools of ourself and stumble blindly and confusedly about. We're not perfect, and like all things, happiness can't last forever. It is possible to find new reasons for happiness, though.

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If we need nothing but ourselves to be happy, then how come we seek happiness through external things?
Personally, I blame it on society. "You need this super fast car to be popular! You need to weight 10 pounds to look pretty!" I think more people would be happy if there were more warm fuzzy vibes in the media.

But alas, warm fuzzy does not sell as well as gore and violence and popularity. So I doubt it'll happen any time soon.
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Old 10-05-2004, 04:41 PM
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The biblical God is only 3500 years old. Our species is at least 160,000 years old. It is inconceivable that the only time people have been happy during the time we've been on this earth has been after the invention (or revelation, if you're a believer) of the biblical deity.
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If we can be happy on our own, then how come we are not all happy yet? And how come those who become happy continually fall down into despair?
Because you still believe in god, silly!

There is no such thing as life without pain and despair. The sooner people realize that and stop tryingt to be happy ALL the time, the sooner they will be able to settle down and find true happiness that lasts.

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If we need nothing but ourselves to be happy, then how come we seek happiness through external things?
No one is saying we only need ourselves to be happy, on account of because there are no hermits here. (If you take offense to my assumption, I'm sorry, but I just can't consider you to be a true hermit if you have a computer ) I readily admit that I would be very unhappy without books, chocolate, TV, books, and chocolate. These are all external things, but guess what? So is god. The only difference between a book in god, is that you're hobby bosses you around, wehereas I can burn mine if I don't like it. (partially j/k)
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Because you still believe in god, silly!
This is an assumption and no one here is qualified to make this statement. I personally don't think people who believe in God are silly.


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These are all external things, but guess what? So is god. The only difference between a book in god, is that you're hobby bosses you around, wehereas I can burn mine if I don't like it. (partially j/k)
These are also assumptions. Not everyone believes that God is external and that they are bossed around by God. There are several levels of believing in a higher power. This level is low on the ladder.

Regarding people living without the externals, humans are highly adaptable and could easily learn to live without books and chocolate, they would invent substitutes.
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Old 10-05-2004, 07:31 PM
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Good question Jensa.

I have met many happy (or seemingly so) atheists here on this forum. I am constantly learning and shaping my view of the world through those of you here without faith...... my faith in God teaches me to be constantly searching for the good in people, and it confuses me greatly how many good and wonderful atheists I have met here.

All I know is that I am happier now that I have faith, and I wish everyone that kind of happiness and peace, and I can only talk about what worked for me. I hope everyone can respect that.

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Do you think it's possible to be happy without God? If not, why, and how do you explain happy atheists?

Personally, I don't think any god is needed for happiness. We were born with the capacity to be happy on our own, and we don't need some deity to press the on switch for us. Unless we think we need them to, anyway.

I can be a "poster boy" for that opinion.

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Good question Jensa.

I have met many happy (or seemingly so) atheists here on this forum. I am constantly learning and shaping my view of the world through those of you here without faith...... my faith in God teaches me to be constantly searching for the good in people, and it confuses me greatly how many good and wonderful atheists I have met here.

All I know is that I am happier now that I have faith, and I wish everyone that kind of happiness and peace, and I can only talk about what worked for me. I hope everyone can respect that.

Scott
I sent SOG (at least, I think I sent it to SOG) a PM in which I made the following statement: "I do not have the capacity to believe in a revealed faith - for whatever reason - I just don't get it), but I understand how an individual like Scott can. In many ways I envy his ability to believe - while I simply continue on a search that looks more and more fruitless with each passing year. I don't agree with Scott on many issues, but whatever God(s) he believes in (or not), I wish him peace throughout his journey. I sincerely mean that, because I feel like I have gotten to know Scott through his posts.
I have to admit to being human, as there are people in this world that I do not make that same statement for.
So, for me, I would say that someone like Scott is an example of an individual (and I know of many others) being happy with God, while I can honestly say that I count myself (and most other Agnostics and Atheists) firmly in the camp of people that are happy without God.

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Do you think it's possible to be happy without God? If not, why, and how do you explain happy atheists?
If you had never experienced chocolate, could you be happy without it?
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