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Old 06-06-2008, 06:07 PM
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Universal salvation somehow implies non-believers are bound by the beliefs of Christianity?

Totally illogical.
But what makes you think that Universal salvation is bound to Christianity?
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Old 06-06-2008, 07:50 PM
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But what makes you think that Universal salvation is bound to Christianity?
AS an atheist I don't believe in any salvation, therefore, by definition, salvation cannot be universal.
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Universal salvation somehow implies non-believers are bound by the beliefs of Christianity?

Totally illogical.
That's not what universal salvation means to me. To me, it means that all will be saved from the permanance of death to something much grander than this life.
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Old 06-08-2008, 09:49 AM
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To further clariify, if I insist that salvation does not include me, (is not universal) and you insist it does, what makes your belief better than mine?
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AS an atheist I don't believe in any salvation, therefore, by definition, salvation cannot be universal.
I don't blame you. I don't blame agnostics for doubting the existence of God.

Universal salvation is real. It is not exclusive to any religion, race, color, creed, background.

It may take longer for some than it does for others though lol.

It may take a few more lifetimes. But it is real.

But what if I proposed to you a method for you to prove to yourself without a shadow of a doubt that God truly exists?

What if I told you there is a method to literally visit the regions of Heaven while still living and go on with your daily life?

Understand that this method is in no way harmful to you or anyone else, does not conflict with any major religion, and is absolutely free.

If I told you how to learn this method, would you dare do what is necessary to learn it?

Understand what i'm saying. I can show you a way to absolutely PROVE to yourself that God exists. It has nothing to do with christianity or any religious dogma. It is a simple method to have a visual and audible experience of God.

And if you practice long and well enough, you may even visit heaven as you wish, in this lifetime!

I'm telling you the truth.

Well. What will you do now? Today I am literally handing you the key to the door of heaven.

Will you take it?
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To further clariify, if I insist that salvation does not include me, (is not universal) and you insist it does, what makes your belief better than mine?
Her way, we don't have to die.
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To further clariify, if I insist that salvation does not include me, (is not universal) and you insist it does, what makes your belief better than mine?
How about universal salvation means that salvation is OPEN to everyone who wants it, ie - does not deny anyone? If there's a party and you don't want to participate that's your prerogative.
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Universal salvation somehow implies non-believers are bound by the beliefs of Christianity?

Totally illogical.
Your inference is totally illogical.
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