Universal Salvation? (Jesus Christ, ritual, moral, testimonies, punishment)

[Heneni]

. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Ok so Jesus came to save the world.

18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,

If you believe you are not condemned? Why because you believe.

but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

If you dont believe you are condemned ALREADY though Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to save it.

And this is the verdict:

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

You condemn yourself by loving the darkness more than you love the light. So in that respect, jesus did not come to condemn the world, he was a light to the world, but the world loves the darkness more than they love they light. So even though Jesus is the way the truth and the life...you condemn yourself by loving darkness more.

You condemn yourself in other words. Why would people love the darkness more than they love the light? because the light reveals evil.

The world does not want to stop doing evil because it likes doing it. Jesus is a thorn in their flesh, yet he came to save them. It is not possible for those that love darkness more than they love the light, to live with the light. I guess that means you go/remain where you are most comfortable.

Heneni

Heneni

[Wandered Off]

Originally Posted by Heneni

If you believe you are not condemned? Why because you believe.

but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

How much control do you think we have over what we believe?

[Heneni]

Interesting question.

What excuse is there for loving the darkness more than the light? He came to save the world, nothing reasonably wrong with that, wouldnt you agree? So i have to conclude that whether you believe in him or not is entirely your choice. And i know that god will make sure that before the END comes everyone would have made that choice. Be it in this life or the next. My personal opinion is that you made the choice when he was lifted on the cross and he drew all men unto him. But anyway, i think that the END of this age is close. Few people havent heard about God. So few are left to testifiy to the truth.

Heneni

[Wandered Off]

Originally Posted by Heneni

So i have to conclude that whether you believe in him or not is entirely your choice.

In that case, please choose to believe - really believe - that Odin is the chief among all deities, and that what you believe now is all bunk. Just do this a few minutes. After that, revert back to what you believed before.

I can't do it, regardless of how much I try. That tells me it's not entirely my choice. Can you? Should others have eternal consequences based upon conditions beyond their direct control?

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Heneni

. 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Ok so Jesus came to save the world.

18Whoever believes in him is not condemned,

If you believe you are not condemned? Why because you believe.

but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.

If you dont believe you are condemned ALREADY though Jesus did not come to condemn the world but to save it.

And this is the verdict:

19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

You condemn yourself by loving the darkness more than you love the light. So in that respect, jesus did not come to condemn the world, he was a light to the world, but the world loves the darkness more than they love they light. So even though Jesus is the way the truth and the life...you condemn yourself by loving darkness more.

You condemn yourself in other words. Why would people love the darkness more than they love the light? because the light reveals evil.

The world does not want to stop doing evil because it likes doing it. Jesus is a thorn in their flesh, yet he came to save them. It is not possible for those that love darkness more than they love the light, to live with the light. I guess that means you go/remain where you are most comfortable.

Heneni

Heneni

Just as one's mortality is not forever, so is one's condemnation not forever. If we will be raised to new life in a new body, and if, as Paul says, even though we now see dimly...but then will see face-to-face, those of us who are stubborn now, may very well be open to God in the resurrection.

[Heneni]

Originally Posted by Wandered Off

In that case, please choose to believe - really believe - that Odin is the chief among all deities, and that what you believe now is all bunk. Just do this a few minutes. After that, revert back to what you believed before.

I can't do it, regardless of how much I try. That tells me it's not entirely my choice. Can you? Should others have eternal consequences based upon conditions beyond their direct control?

Who is odin? LOL. Surely you must know that god was smart enough to distribute the knowledge of himself through many civilizations. If god reveals himself to you as ODIN, please dont put yourself through strain and try to convert to my god, even though they could possibly be the same.

Wandered off. God is aware of our limitations, he is not unfair. He knows what each persons situation is. He knows we are born into different cultures and different countries. And he finds a way to reveal himself to everybody. In some way. He has many names. Surely god is good. And so i stil stand by my point. It is your choice to believe in him. GOD/ODIN

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Wandered Off

In that case, please choose to believe - really believe - that Odin is the chief among all deities, and that what you believe now is all bunk. Just do this a few minutes. After that, revert back to what you believed before.

I can't do it, regardless of how much I try. That tells me it's not entirely my choice. Can you? Should others have eternal consequences based upon conditions beyond their direct control?

What you've said makes a lot of sense to me. I think certain of our beliefs were formed when we were taught certain things at an early age. Other of our beliefs were formed when we reached a sufficient level and maturity to reason things out and make choices on the basis of what feels right to us, and what seems logical. But there are also beliefs that we seem to have very little power to change. It's not as if those ideas were ingrained in our minds before we were too young to resist them or remember it happening. It's almost more as if we were born believing them, that they are part of our being.

[Somkid]

That seems a little more fair than what most people would have you believe.

[Azakel]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Who is odin? LOL. Surely you must know that god was smart enough to distribute the knowledge of himself through many civilizations. If god reveals himself to you as ODIN, please dont put yourself through strain and try to convert to my god, even though they could possibly be the same.

Wandered off. God is aware of our limitations, he is not unfair. He knows what each persons situation is. He knows we are born into different cultures and different countries. And he finds a way to reveal himself to everybody. In some way. He has many names. Surely god is good. And so i stil stand by my point. It is your choice to believe in him. GOD/ODIN

No you see Odin is way different then your God, been around a lot longer too ^_^. He's is own individual being. Just try to believe in him. Oh and Odin is the Chief God of the Norse pantheon. Just go for it.