Universal Salvation? (Jesus Christ, ritual, moral, testimonies, punishment)

[logician]

Originally Posted by Ant0nio

Universal salvation by definition, includes all people. Regardless of race, color, creed, or religion even.

Eventually everybody returns to God.

Except it is illogical and frankly impossible.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by logician

Except it is illogical and frankly impossible.

Oh? How?

[logician]

As an atheist I've always contended that needing saving from something as esoteric and hard to define as "sin" is quite illogical. The idea of "universal salvation" is illogical from it's basepoint.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by logician

As an atheist I've always contended that needing saving from something as esoteric and hard to define as "sin" is quite illogical. The idea of "universal salvation" is illogical from it's basepoint.

Originally Posted by Storm

I think logic is sometimes overrated. People conflate it with reason or rationality, when it's really just a tool to determine whether an argument/ position is internally sound. It tells us nothing about whether that position is right.

Case in point.

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by logician

As an atheist I've always contended that needing saving from something as esoteric and hard to define as "sin" is quite illogical. The idea of "universal salvation" is illogical from it's basepoint.

In what way is sin "hard to define?" It may be "hard for Logician to understand," but your lack of understanding does not constitute sin as "esoteric." The "basepoint" of sin is not your lack of understanding. The "basepoint" of sin is our propensity to wander off from communion with God. All have done that...all need reconciliation.

[Ant0nio]

There is a way to prove God's existence, without dying or harming oneself.

[logician]

Originally Posted by sojourner

In what way is sin "hard to define?" It may be "hard for Logician to understand," but your lack of understanding does not constitute sin as "esoteric." The "basepoint" of sin is not your lack of understanding. The "basepoint" of sin is our propensity to wander off from communion with God. All have done that...all need reconciliation.

Sorry, but there is no god, and no "sin" as you try to define it.

[Storm]

You keep making positive claim, logician. Can you back it up?

[lilithu]

Originally Posted by Storm

You keep making positive claim, logician. Can you back it up?

He doesn't need to back it up. He's got faith!