Are Catholics Christians? (Jesus, hell, doctrine, church, agnostic)

[simguy83]

Here are some websites that I found:

http://www.carm.org/catholic/saved.htm

http://www.born-again-christian.info/catholics.htm

http://www.justforcatholics.org/a21.htm

"If a Roman Catholic believes in the official Roman Catholic teaching on salvation, then he is not a Christian since the official RCC position is contrary to scripture. Therefore, as a whole, Roman Catholics need to be evangelized. They need to hear the true Gospel. They need to hear that they are not made right before God by being in a church, or by being baptized, but by receiving Christ (John 1:12), believing that Jesus has risen from the dead (Rom. 10:9), and that justification is by faith (Rom. 5:1) and not by our deeds (Rom. 4:5)."

One more quote:

"We are forced to conclude that the message of Rome is a different gospel. It is a false gospel. I say this with much sadness and concern for the multitudes of Catholics who blindly follow this false system. I must warn every Catholic that Christ is of no avail to you unless you relinquish any confidence in yourself and your works, and in every other creature. Faith must be in Christ - alone!
Having said that, I gladly add the following. There may be some nominal Catholics who, either out of ignorance or rejection of Catholic doctrine, truly trust in Christ alone for their salvation. They are Christians and really belong to God."

If you want more information on the quotes above - check the webistes at the top of this post!

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by simguy83

Here are some websites that I found:

http://www.carm.org/catholic/saved.htm

If you want more information on the quotes above - check the webistes at the top of this post!

Well, I went to the web site listed above. I was very impressed. I'd say this is as fine an example of "poisoning the well" as I have seen in a long time. At least the people that wrote it are open minded and willing to discuss the issues with believers of the other faiths . Makes me glad I'm an Agnostic. I think ours was the only group left out of the attacks.


One thing about it simguy - you should get more than a few good replies from this one. I think I'll sit back and watch the fur fly now. When SOG and a few others get into this, it'll be a real show.


TVOR

[Mr Spinkles]

Originally Posted by SOGFPP

The Catholic Church WAS Christianity for 1500 years before the "Reformation".

Oh because the Orthodox Church doesn't "count" right Scott? Typical Catholic....always trying to sweep the great schism under the rug.

[The Voice of Reason]

Hey Sprinkles - I changed my avatar back - you were right in the other thread - I wasn't doing justice to Gahndi.

TVOR

[linwood]

There were also the gnostics, but the gnostics were probably the first organized christians.

You really don`t want to get into this with him...really.

I mean it.

Really..Really.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Mr Spinkles

Oh because the Orthodox Church doesn't "count" right Scott? Typical Catholic....always trying to sweep the great schism under the rug.

Funny, funny guy..... The Orthodox Church did not change the faith.... they rejected the Papacy.... but ok, the Catholic Church was Christianity for 1000 years before the "great schism".... better?

[Scott1]

Alright Catholics. Where are ya? This is easy stuff, I would like to see some of our new members handle these easy questions.... I'll wait and see.

My prayers to you!
Scott

[seraphimfire]

The term "christian" was coined by the world to define a follower of Christ. Constantine used the label so he could put us in little areas of his cities along with all the other religious movements of the time to keep an eye on all of us! Anyway I heard that the Pope has even given "christian" status to the Jews! I don't want to be called a "christian" since the term has been used so librally and losely these past 2 milleniums!
The small groups that the Roman Catholic church has called "heritics" over the last 2000 years are more Christ Followers then any movement calling itself "christian"!
I don't recognize any movment ruled by man as the true fellowship of the Living Christ!
It has been said by someone on this thread that we are all ministers and that my friends is the TRUTH! But who can handle the truth????
Peace

[Scott1]

Anyway I heard that the Pope has even given "christian" status to the Jews!

The ignorance of that statement is staggering........

[simguy83]

I found some more stuff. Boy am I going to get it in the neck

Didn't Christianity consist of the Catholic Church for the first 1500 years?
http://www.chick.com/information/rel...licism/#Church

The Trail Of Blood
http://users.aol.com/libcfl/trail.htm

I also found this to be an interesting read:
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp

P.s, if you think I am anti-catholic, then don't because I am not! I just saw the non-catholics getting their butts kicked so I thought I would help them out

If you want more, then I got it dont worry