You should two facts (Jesus Christ, Latter Day Saints, grace, church, scriptures)

[Troy]

1) Judaism is not abiding in Abrahamic faith of God of the Bible, that is Judaism of today

2) Islam never did abide in Abrahamic faith of God of the Bible.

That is all there is ever to say about that.

[anders]

Why two threads on the same subject?

So, I repeat myself as well:

Today, there are only two Abrahamic religions left: Islam and Judaism. Christianity has left the Abrahamic fold by inventing a New Testament, held to supersede the Abrahamic scriptures.

[true blood]

What do you mean by "Christianity has left the Abrahamic fold" by "inventing" a new testament? Is not God and His relationship with Abraham the primary example of believing? Scripture says, Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith [believing] was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned [unto Abraham]? when he was in circumcision [after he was circumcised], or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

Therefore righteousness wasn't reckoned unto Abraham after he was circumcised, but while he was still uncircumcised. Scripture: And he [Abraham] received the sign of circumcision [after he was righteous], a seal of the righteousness of the faith [believing] which he had yet being uncircumcised... So it was that Abraham was circumcised as a seal or symbol of his receiving righteousness from God. More Scripture: ...that he [Abraham] might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also. And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith [believing] of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

The whole statement which God set forth in Scripture is that it was not for Abraham's works, such as circumcision, that Abraham received righteousness, because Abraham did works after he was made righteous. The same holds true for the true "Christian". We are saved by grace, "...not of works lest any man should boast."

The promise, that Abraham should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith [believing]. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith [believing] is made void, and the promise made of none effect. You see, the law didn't bring righteousness. Believing did. Why? Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. You cannot have a transgression until you have a law. Therefore righteousness if of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed [the believers]; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith [believing] of Abraham; who is the father of us all who believe. As the one to whom the promises were made, Abraham believed God and became the father of all who would believe, both of the circumcision and the uncircumcision. Abraham's believing made it possible for God to reckon righteousness to him. Today, when we believe to be saved, Abraham became our father and we also, as he did, received righteousness. But this righteousness which we receive is not just reckoned to us, as it was to Abraham. Our righteousness is born within for we have received the righteousness of God in Christ, and we have Christ in us the hope of glory

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[Troy]

It just got started. Funny.

[NoahideHiker]

Originally Posted by Troy

1) Judaism is not abiding in Abrahamic faith of God of the Bible, that is Judaism of today

I generally do not accept judgements and critisism from those outside of another religion but I'll bite. How so?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by Troy

That is all there is ever to say about that.

[MaddLlama]

[Mestemia]

Originally Posted by anders

Why two threads on the same subject?

So, I repeat myself as well:

Today, there are only two Abrahamic religions left: Islam and Judaism. Christianity has left the Abrahamic fold by inventing a New Testament, held to supersede the Abrahamic scriptures.

Is this not the very thing that people complain about when it comes to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?
That they 'add' to the Bible?

Would not this above quoted fact make every single Christian who complains about the Book of Mormon a wee bit of a hypocrite?

Originally Posted by MaddLlama

But then what am I to do with all this extra food?

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Troy

1) Judaism is not abiding in Abrahamic faith of God of the Bible, that is Judaism of today

2) Islam never did abide in Abrahamic faith of God of the Bible.

That is all there is ever to say about that.

"Master! We saw a man casting out demons in your name, but he wasn't one of us, so we rebuked him..."