examples of divine intervention (Moses, Torah, verse)

robtex · #1 04-24-2006, 10:25 PM

For the purpose of introspection, in an academic environment, for those who believe in divine interevention, could you please tell us what you could you give us an example of a divinely intervened act and why you think it was not a natural act.

Ody · #2 04-24-2006, 10:29 PM

Har Sinai, 2 million jews saw G-d give the torah to moses

robtex · #3 04-24-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AlanGurvey

Har Sinai, 2 million jews saw G-d give the torah to moses

Where does it say 2 million jews say G-d give the Torah to Moses?

Ody · #4 04-24-2006, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by robtex

Where does it say 2 million jews say G-d give the Torah to Moses?

The oral torah.

Super Universe · #5 04-24-2006, 10:33 PM

The beginning. No scientific theory exists that explains matter creating itself in a perfectly stable form.

robtex · #6 04-24-2006, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Universe

The beginning. No scientific theory exists that explains matter creating itself in a perfectly stable form.

That's ok we weren't around in the beginning anyway.......Got any examples of divine intervention.

robtex · #7 04-24-2006, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AlanGurvey

The oral torah.

How do you know if it wasn't written that any Jews concured with your sentiment at the time the Torah was being written? Also, any modern divine interventions?

Ody · #8 04-24-2006, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by robtex

How do you know if it wasn't written that any Jews concured with your sentiment at the time the Torah was being written? Also, any modern divine interventions?

The entire oral torah has been around since the time of HarSinai...

Booko · #9 04-24-2006, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by robtex

For the purpose of introspection, in an academic environment, for those who believe in divine interevention, could you please tell us what you could you give us an example of a divinely intervened act and why you think it was not a natural act.

I'm not sure I'd call it an unnatural act, but it might be described as greatly against the odds.

When one of the central figures of the Baha'i Faith, the Bab, was killed by the Persian gov't, the first group of men brought in for the firing squad was led by an Armenian Christian. He was concerned about being given this duty, as he didn't think the Bab had done anything illegal, much less evil, but the Bab told him that if his intent was pure, God would take care of things. So anyway, the firing squad lined up, all 750 of them, and ...missed? When the smoke cleared, they found the Bab back in his cell, dictating a final bit to his secretary.

The second time around, the Armenian Christian commander of the first firing squad refused to take any part, so another firing squad was brought in. This time they succeeded in killing the Bab (and a companion who was strung up with him), but the faces were untouched by any bullets. That's some pretty bad aim.

btw, this story does not just come from "beleivers" there were "nonbelivers" present, and it was written up in the Western press at the time. Obviously, we Baha'is might have some reason to push the story on our own, so it pays to look at other sources to see if its accurate.

Anyway, this breaks no physical law. Still, it's so against the odds that it might well be claimed to be "divine intervention." At least, if you believe in divine stuff.

fwiw, Baha'is don't believe that God breaks the physical laws he set up, nor do we put any stock in miracles. This one instance is about the only one you hear about. And it's still not "proof" that God exists. At most, it may indicate there's something afoot worth looking into. That's about all.