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#51
05-11-2004, 11:11 PM
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Abortion is sick. SICK. Most people do not realize the effects it has. It's not like going to the doctor to get a wart removed, your done and you go home. ITS TAKING A LIFE. It's painful. I've spoken with multiple women who have had more than one abortion. One of the women had children, and her son found out and immediately had nightmares of his mother trying to kill him, and had to have therapy. Last I heard, around 90% of women who have an abortion regret it later in life. That was a few years ago, and may not be right on. but it was a high percentage. many women deal with depression, suicide, and eating disorders because of abortions. and rape is no excuse. why justify one crime with another. why justify pain with more pain. children are gifts. and many peole are ingrateful recipients. youve been given something many people wnat and cant have and your saying screw it who cares im too selfish to think that this involves more than just me. its cowardice. and how anyone came up with these procedures is beyond me. One way to abort a child is to insert a saline solutin that burns the fetus. Another way is to chop up the baby and then suck it out. yummy, right kids? People say its a woman's choice to do what she wants with her body. well she had other choices. if she didnt want to be pregnant, she had the choice not to have sex. she had the choice to be on birth control. its murder. your allowing people to choose murder. its a CHILD. and its murder.
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05-11-2004, 11:11 PM
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Abortion is sick. SICK. Most people do not realize the effects it has. It's not like going to the doctor to get a wart removed, your done and you go home. ITS TAKING A LIFE. It's painful. I've spoken with multiple women who have had more than one abortion. One of the women had children, and her son found out and immediately had nightmares of his mother trying to kill him, and had to have therapy. Last I heard, around 90% of women who have an abortion regret it later in life. That was a few years ago, and may not be right on. but it was a high percentage. many women deal with depression, suicide, and eating disorders because of abortions. and rape is no excuse. why justify one crime with another. why justify pain with more pain. children are gifts. and many peole are ingrateful recipients. youve been given something many people wnat and cant have and your saying screw it who cares im too selfish to think that this involves more than just me. its cowardice. and how anyone came up with these procedures is beyond me. One way to abort a child is to insert a saline solutin that burns the fetus. Another way is to chop up the baby and then suck it out. yummy, right kids? People say its a woman's choice to do what she wants with her body. well she had other choices. if she didnt want to be pregnant, she had the choice not to have sex. she had the choice to be on birth control. its murder. your allowing people to choose murder. its a CHILD. and its murder.
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#53
05-17-2004, 09:58 PM
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painted wolf,
In response to what you said about having to carry the child of your attacker, I really do want to send you this site. http://www.pamstenzel.com/ Pam Stenzel was conceived through a rape. Her mother seriously considered abortion, but ultimately decided to keep her baby and give it up for adoption. Pam is now one of the biggest speakers in the world on abstinence and safe sex, etc. I can tell you from experience, that she is certainly one of the most moving speakers I have ever seen. The thing that stuck me the most when I was watching one of her tapes, was the realization that she had accomplished so much and was now helping so many people! If her mother had had an abortion (although the circumstances were terrible, I know) Pam would not be here today (obviously). And that really makes you think. No matter how well developed, no matter how conceived, all babies are on equal planes in that they all carry so much incredible potential for their lives, which for some technically havn't started yet. If a woman knew her baby was to be the next president, would she be so ready for that abortion? Of course not! But we need to take that into consideration, because anything is possible for the lives of these babies. I urge you to check out Pam. Watch one of her movies. Not because I think you need a lesson in abstinance and safe sex (hehe), but just to hear her tell her story, and be blown away by her powerful message.
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The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. ~Socrates
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#54
05-17-2004, 09:58 PM
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painted wolf,
In response to what you said about having to carry the child of your attacker, I really do want to send you this site. http://www.pamstenzel.com/ Pam Stenzel was conceived through a rape. Her mother seriously considered abortion, but ultimately decided to keep her baby and give it up for adoption. Pam is now one of the biggest speakers in the world on abstinence and safe sex, etc. I can tell you from experience, that she is certainly one of the most moving speakers I have ever seen. The thing that stuck me the most when I was watching one of her tapes, was the realization that she had accomplished so much and was now helping so many people! If her mother had had an abortion (although the circumstances were terrible, I know) Pam would not be here today (obviously). And that really makes you think. No matter how well developed, no matter how conceived, all babies are on equal planes in that they all carry so much incredible potential for their lives, which for some technically havn't started yet. If a woman knew her baby was to be the next president, would she be so ready for that abortion? Of course not! But we need to take that into consideration, because anything is possible for the lives of these babies. I urge you to check out Pam. Watch one of her movies. Not because I think you need a lesson in abstinance and safe sex (hehe), but just to hear her tell her story, and be blown away by her powerful message.
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The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. ~Socrates
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#55
05-17-2004, 10:09 PM
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On partial birth abortion,
Also called '3rd trimester abortion' is no longer legal. During the third trimester, the baby has the ability to live on its own, in an incubator, granted, but surviving nonetheless. Studies done of this procedure showed that the babies felt a great amount of pain. (the procedure is how Mr. Spinkles described it). Luckily, it has been recently outlawed, and I am ashamed to know that the inventor of such a procedure resides and set up the first clinic right in my town. The ludicrous justification, that a baby is not born until its head is removed from the uterus, means that the babies would be completely delivered, all eccept for their heads, which would then be dealt with in the manner described above. Barbaric does not even begin to describe. Another note: Abortion has been linked to breast cancer, and other female related cancers. (I don't have any souces on me right now, but I'll get some) Basically explained, when a woman becomes pregnant, her body undergoes many internal changes, as far as the levels of hormones and such. This is all done to help the baby grow and keep the pregnancy healthy. Once an abortion is introduced, (which is an extremely unnatural process), all the sudden the baby is gone and all of those hormones and the like which were preparing for birth in both the breasts and the uterus are left without a job. They scatter, stay stagnant, whatever-- but the bottom line is, with no baby, they aren't supposed to be there and so all to often they cause insult to the cells around them, causing cancer. Like I said, I'll find those sources for everyone!
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The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. ~Socrates
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#56
05-17-2004, 10:09 PM
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On partial birth abortion,
Also called '3rd trimester abortion' is no longer legal. During the third trimester, the baby has the ability to live on its own, in an incubator, granted, but surviving nonetheless. Studies done of this procedure showed that the babies felt a great amount of pain. (the procedure is how Mr. Spinkles described it). Luckily, it has been recently outlawed, and I am ashamed to know that the inventor of such a procedure resides and set up the first clinic right in my town. The ludicrous justification, that a baby is not born until its head is removed from the uterus, means that the babies would be completely delivered, all eccept for their heads, which would then be dealt with in the manner described above. Barbaric does not even begin to describe. Another note: Abortion has been linked to breast cancer, and other female related cancers. (I don't have any souces on me right now, but I'll get some) Basically explained, when a woman becomes pregnant, her body undergoes many internal changes, as far as the levels of hormones and such. This is all done to help the baby grow and keep the pregnancy healthy. Once an abortion is introduced, (which is an extremely unnatural process), all the sudden the baby is gone and all of those hormones and the like which were preparing for birth in both the breasts and the uterus are left without a job. They scatter, stay stagnant, whatever-- but the bottom line is, with no baby, they aren't supposed to be there and so all to often they cause insult to the cells around them, causing cancer. Like I said, I'll find those sources for everyone!
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The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance. ~Socrates
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#57
05-18-2004, 12:26 AM
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Ceridwen-- Really? Partial birth abortion is now illegal? Huh, I didn't know that....I'm glad though.
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#58
05-18-2004, 12:26 AM
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Ceridwen-- Really? Partial birth abortion is now illegal? Huh, I didn't know that....I'm glad though.
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#59
05-18-2004, 01:45 AM
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Ceridwen
I'm glad that she has found such as good way to spend her life... I'm glad that her mother was able to go through with what was obviously a heartwrenching desicion. Everyone reacts to trauma diffently... some women would not have been able to handle it as well as her mother obviously did. I'm not saying that women who have been raped should get abortions, but that women should have that option if they truely can not handle the trauma of the event. Idealy that is what the 'morning after pill' was supposed to help handle... as it prevents pregnancy in the first place, so no need to worry about the whole abortion issue later. Unfortunatly the FDA bent to political pressure on this one and is not letting the pill though, dispite reccomendations in favor of it. wa:-do
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05-18-2004, 01:45 AM
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Ceridwen
I'm glad that she has found such as good way to spend her life... I'm glad that her mother was able to go through with what was obviously a heartwrenching desicion. Everyone reacts to trauma diffently... some women would not have been able to handle it as well as her mother obviously did. I'm not saying that women who have been raped should get abortions, but that women should have that option if they truely can not handle the trauma of the event. Idealy that is what the 'morning after pill' was supposed to help handle... as it prevents pregnancy in the first place, so no need to worry about the whole abortion issue later. Unfortunatly the FDA bent to political pressure on this one and is not letting the pill though, dispite reccomendations in favor of it. wa:-do
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