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Old 02-06-2006, 10:25 AM
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I have generally tended to feel that, if I were a god and created an afterlife for a select group of followers, my doors would be more open to atheists who would make pleasant company than believers whose company would be troublesome to both myself and other occupants. My most devout followers would be those who followed me through their choices and actions, for an absence of belief would be a simple matter to remedy.

As much offense as some believers tend to take at the notion of second-guessing their god, I'd like to bluntly point out that atheists are not, by necessity, less likely to assume correctly than a Christian or Muslim and that your efforts to conform your supreme being to your quite potentially completely wrong claims and beliefs are no less presumptuous than my efforts to make intelligent discussion about the subject; in fact, I feel that my speculations are of a mammothianly less presumptive nature than the outright claims of perfect and absolute knowledge of your deity's thoughts and feelings that are typical of even many modern believers.

Being thoughtful for a moment, do you think that actions or claims of faith are more demonstrative proof that one is a true follower of your supreme being? Do you feel that a typical Christian or Muslim is closer to the supreme being than an atheist who honors and follows it with his or her every word and action? This does deserve some thought because it is one of the main reasons that I originally began calling myself an atheist; in this way, I distance myself from any supreme being that judges on the shallow and unmeaningful basis of belief. I will not lay at the feet of an ogre simply because it is a large one.
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I have generally tended to feel that, if I were a god and created an afterlife for a select group of followers, my doors would be more open to atheists who would make pleasant company than believers whose company would be troublesome to both myself and other occupants. My most devout followers would be those who followed me through their choices and actions, for an absence of belief would be a simple matter to remedy.

As much offense as some believers tend to take at the notion of second-guessing their god, I'd like to bluntly point out that atheists are not, by necessity, less likely to assume correctly than a Christian or Muslim and that your efforts to conform your supreme being to your quite potentially completely wrong claims and beliefs are no less presumptuous than my efforts to make intelligent discussion about the subject; in fact, I feel that my speculations are of a mammothianly less presumptive nature than the outright claims of perfect and absolute knowledge of your deity's thoughts and feelings that are typical of even many modern believers.

Being thoughtful for a moment, do you think that actions or claims of faith are more demonstrative proof that one is a true follower of your supreme being? Do you feel that a typical Christian or Muslim is closer to the supreme being than an atheist who honors and follows it with his or her every word and action? This does deserve some thought because it is one of the main reasons that I originally began calling myself an atheist; in this way, I distance myself from any supreme being that judges on the shallow and unmeaningful basis of belief. I will not lay at the feet of an ogre simply because it is a large one.
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James 1.27
Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)

Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
Matthew 7:21-23 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)

Luke 6:46
"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?
Luke 6:45-47 (in Context) Luke 6 (Whole Chapter)
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