Muslim Belief on Torah (Jesus, priests, gospel, translation, America)

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by Aqualung

I was just stating what I thought might be one reason they believed they should have isreal.

I can't "keep" doing something I don't do in the first place!! I was just postulating. I have no belief that they should get Israel. I was just giving a reason they might think that. So go laugh at somebody else.

Fair enough.

[wmam]

Originally Posted by wmam

KJV.........

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The time of the Gentiles is yet not over.

I want to add that I believe that their are physical, as well as, spiritual Hebrews (Yisraelites) that the land will be given back to at the time appointed. Not all that say they are Hebrews are Hebrews. YAH only knows that of each one of us.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by wmam

KJV.........

Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The time of the Gentiles is yet not over.

Why would G-d contradict himself?

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by Deut 13:1

End of story.

Ummm.... I don't want to speak for Yasin, but it seems that your questions have been answered:

Originally Posted by Yasin

the Torah was accurate, but in time became corrupted

I don't believe anyone suggested that God "changed his mind" but that Jews can not know the "mind" of God because the Torah (and the NT for Christians) have become corrupted.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by Scott1

Ummm.... I don't want to speak for Yasin, but it seems that your questions have been answered:

Cute, how you reverse the order. You take my response to his comment and reverse it.

Originally Posted by Scott1

I don't believe anyone suggested that God "changed his mind" but that Jews can not know the "mind" of God because the Torah (and the NT for Christians) have become corrupted.

So you as well take the position that this is conversation that took place?

G-d: I give the Jews... Britian.
Jews: We don't like Britian, let's change it to Israel.

Is that how you view it? Because if that's the way you appraoch Torah, no wonder you have so many passages that magically refer to Mr. J. I mean, I could read spiderman and find just as many prophecies if I approach it from this angel.

Spiderman: Oh Noe! it's Doc Oc!
Scott1: Doc Oc doesn't refer the battle between good and evil, let's change that to Satan...

Alright, enough joking, being serious for a moment, Scott, if that's their position that the Torah is inaccurate couldn't that logic then be applied to the prophecies that Muhammod fullfilled in the Quran or from your perspective, the NT?

[jamaesi]

... Israel can't be shared?

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have ties there.


Edit- And Christianity came from Judaism and then Islam trailed behind the two. It's not like these are radically different faiths, they're all related.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by jamaesi

... Israel can't be shared?

Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have ties there.

Yes, and Christianity and Islam to the best of my knowledge believe in the Torah, and what does the Torah say? To the Jews.

So... why should we share? That's like you owning your land, and me walking into your house and ignoring what the deed says and just saying... "your house can't be Shared?" Me and you both have ties there, you grew up there, I grew up elsewhere but I believe my great-great-great-great-great grandfather might have possibly been where your parents were.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by jamaesi

Edit- And Christianity came from Judaism and then Islam trailed behind the two. It's not like these are radically different faiths, they're all related.

Yes, and I'm sure your great-great-great-great-great ancestors shared a boat over to America w/ mine. So we're related.. Mazol tov! When can I move in?

[jamaesi]

Yes, and Christianity and Islam to the best of my knowledge believe in the Torah, and what does the Torah say? To the Jews.

So... why should we share? That's like you owning your land, and me walking into your house and ignoring what the deed says and just saying... "your house can't be Shared?" Me and you both have ties there, you grew up there, I grew up elsewhere but I believe my great-great-great-great-great grandfather might have possibly been where your parents were.

I see it more of a kicking your kids out at 18 and shooting them if they try to come back. : P What would be the problem of sharing it with the Christians and Muslims? It's sort of selfish to deny others the right to their holy land.

Yes, and I'm sure your great-great-great-great-great ancestors shared a boat over to America w/ mine. So we're related.. Mazol tov! When can I move in?

They might have, my Jewish grandfather came over about the time of the Holocaust. : P When did yours come over?
You're welcome at my place anytime, it's just a little messy as I just moved though. I still haven't found my bed.



In this I think you seem more concerned with your blood relation to other humans (and why should you have to be related to someone to care about them ) rather than the very special relation Jews, Christians, and Muslims share. We all worship the same G-d, just in unique ways.

[Deut 13:1]

Originally Posted by jamaesi

I see it more of a kicking your kids out at 18 and shooting them if they try to come back. : P What would be the problem of sharing it with the Christians and Muslims? It's sort of selfish to deny others the right to their holy land.

Interesting comparison, although we're not kicking you out... In fact, if you look back in history, you'll see when we graciously offered to have Palestiinian state, they flat out refused.

Originally Posted by jamaesi

They might have, my Jewish grandfather came over about the time of the Holocaust. : P When did yours come over?

My great grandparents on my mothers side were murdered before they had the chance to escape to America, and my great grandparents on my fathers side we never heard from, we assume they were also murdered.

Originally Posted by jamaesi

In this I think you seem more concerned with your blood relation to other humans (and why should you have to be related to someone to care about them ) rather than the very special relation Jews, Christians, and Muslims share. We all worship the same G-d, just in unique ways.

Possibly, I was just trying to draw a connection to your comparison. You asked why we couldn't share land between 3 groups of people, I gave a practical example of how I view the situation in Israel. You have people who don't want to share, but annihalate you.