Biblical condemnation of homosexuality (Leviticus, blood, church, theist, bible)

[Lightkeeper]

If you are tired of the discussion, then why do you persist in it? You really don't to hear anything new. You said so yourself. You said it was predictable. Maybe the newness you are looking for has to come from within you. Stop looking on the outside for change.

[HelpMe]

that be utilitarianism. what if the majority wants to kill you. should they?

it is the 'majority' of a jury of one's peers that decides if one dies in certain cases, is it not?this country is supposedly supposed to be run by majorty vote, or not?


--S

[Green Gaia]

Christy, you are assuming that all of us even care what the Bible says about homosexuality. In case you haven't noticed, Christians are not the majority on this forum. The only reason we discuss the what Bible says about homosexuality at all is because Christians here bring it up and demand that the laws of our FREE country reflect what they perceive to be their God's commandments. This is wrong. If Christians, or anyone else for that matter believes homosexuality is wrong, then they shouldn't be homosexual or have homosexual relationship or marry someone of the same sex. However, Christians have NO right to force their beliefs on everyone else. This is why we discuss, over and over again what the Bible says about homosexuality, because Christians bring it up and demand we live by their religion's rules. Frankly, if I never had to discuss it again, that would be fine with me. But when it is brought up on this forum, I will answer the debate, if that's boring and tiresome to you, you don't have to read it.

[civilcynic]

Well said, Maize!

The Bible says alot of things and I always find it amusing when selective Bible verses are used to support a particular issue. A number of people always use the Bible to point to homosexuality as wrong and something not to engage in. Of all those people, how many do you think eat pork or other by-products of cloven-hoofed animals? How many have participated in the stoning of children because the kids were disrespectful to their parents? How many married couples sleep separately when the woman has her menstrual cycle?..........I could go on and on but I think you all get my point.

If one asks, what is the harm or what is wrong with homosexuality.....the responses are based on either a person's religious belief or their own personal emotional response neither of which should really gives them the right to impose on others. If you truly beleive that homosexuality is a sin or an abomination....don't engage in it.

I don't like raw seafood and I know that there are health risks in eating raw seafood but I don't condemn those who like it or eat nor do I feel the need to legislate it. I even sometimes hang around those same people without fear that they are going to corrupt me and tempt me into eating raw seafood.

I find fanatical fundamentalists of any religion difficult to tolerate but I don't feel the need nor do I believe I have the right to impose my thoughts or beliefs on them. These individuals have every right to think and believe as they please...just as I should have the right to do the same. I certainly do not fear that their views are going to 'corrupt' me or make me do something I don't believe in or don't want to do....I have enough confidence in my own ability to maintain my own personal integrity
and my own moral code that I don't view other beliefs that may be different and even contradictory to my own as a threat that must be extinguished or legislated.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

it is the 'majority' of a jury of one's peers that decides if one dies in certain cases, is it not?this country is supposedly supposed to be run by majorty vote, or not?


--S

I hardly think 12 people comprise a majority of society. One's peers runs in the thousands or millions of which twelve are selected

You're right, this country is run by the "marjoity" of voters swayed and maniplulated by special interests which include both the lobbies of the Religious Right and homosexual interests. Both can influence Congress to pass laws that favor them. Both can apply what pressure they have to get the president to sign the bill. But no citizen or elected official can have laws passed and become effective that do not meet Constitutional standards. There is a "majority" that decides whether a law is Constututional and may remain "on the books" and it is NOT the people - it is NOT the special interst groups - it is NOT Congress - and it is NOT the Presidency. It is the majority of the justices on the Supreme Court using NOT a consensus of people, special interests, or other governmental offices but a measure of the meaning of original document and admendments to it. They have that power given them by the people - the very same people so many Christians claim were Christians.

Those same "Christians" that founded the government we operate under, designed a system of governemnt that does not recognize God and the people that speak for him (I wonder why God can't speak for himself?). God has no authority in the Constitution and no power to command that his ways be taken as our system of government. The Constitution is the highest power in the US - not God - not the people that speak for God.

These are the facts. These are the facts that any US Christian should understand. No longer should we who understand these facts be presented with ignorance or misunderstanding of them, in my opinion, from those on this board who try to place Chritianity at the center of our laws.

-pah-

[Ardhanariswar]

"How many have participated in the stoning of children because the kids were disrespectful to their parents? How many married couples sleep separately when the woman has her menstrual cycle?..........I could go on and on but I think you all get my point."

thats not true only to the bible. hindu women cannot enter the temple during thier period and three days after.

[Greyson]

I find the entire conservative right-wing literal law responses to be lacking, since the bible is not based on the carnal (fleshly, worldly), but rather the Spiritual Law, which is to say the Truth. The Spiritual. Marriage is a Union based on love, not what body parts are more attractive or more repugnant, and in the case of homosexual peole marrying or straight people marrying, isn't the main focus based on love to begin with?
It can be argued by fundies that it is a sin of the flesh, yet did not Christ die to condemn sin in the flesh? Since God is Spiritual as opposed to carnal, why would God care what we do in the flesh? I have heard some say that ONLY in marriage is it ok to have 'relations', because it is then 'sanctified'. Sex is sex, whether straight or gay, married or not, and Sin is Sin...period. There are no excuses. As it is written, Love covers a multitude of sins. So in mine own humble opinion, Love is all that matters when becoming ed, gay or straight. Amen.
Ty.

Greyson

[PinkLemon]

this is an awkward question i just thought of, and if it seems too irrevelent just ignore me (im a newbie), what if there was a relationship between 2 men, and one decided to get a sex change. then would it be ok in a christian sense. seeing how it would then be a man and women.

[Ardhanariswar]

the point is that God doesnt care if youre a man or a woman. neither should you. i guess if people arent comfortable with being a guy should change. but like many other things, it wont seem right. you were born with what you are supposed to have as a result of karma. personally i would never change. being a guy doesnt matter. because i know that i want to be known for my individual, myself, my character, not my body..

[Lightkeeper]

Good point, Gerani.The body doesn't matter its your spirit, soul, or whatever you want to call it that matters. I'm thinking of transgender people. Somehow the brain and the body developed differently. The brain is geared for one sex, but the body develops in the opposite sex. These people become trapped in a body and who can condemn them for following their deepest needs.