God's Curse in Genesis (bible, faith, Biblical, God, Lord)

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

From Genesis 3:14-19, NIV

14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,

"Cursed are you above all the livestock
and all the wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring [1] and hers;
he will crush [2] your head,
and you will strike his heel."

16 To the woman he said,

"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."

17 To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'

"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

There has been some discussion in another thread that death came to humakind through the curse God gave Adam for eating of the fruiut of the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil. It has been alledged that the "cursing of the ground" is the venue.

The context of the phrase "Cursed is the ground because of you" does not show that. Instead, it shows that weeds would make humankind's labors more difficult.

I can see nowhere else where death is part of the curse. Indeed, the span of humankind's life is mentioned. It not that comparable and equivalent to the the rest of living animals and plants. They, except for the serpent, are not cursed and we know that that have live terminated by death. Plants and animals die within a live span according to kind.

Death was not part of the curse.

-pah-

[HelpMe]

since this is your thread, i would like ask if you're going to exclude other parts of the 'bible'?i know you'd like nothing other than to turn believers away from their faith, and limiting the word which it is based on to 1/66 of it's actual contents would do nothing but help your cause.

Death was not part of the curse.

not?

"..for dust you are
and to dust you will return.""

Ignorance is bliss


--S

[Ronald]

Pah,
You are right, death is not a part of the curse. "On the day you eat of it you shall die".
Already a promise.
Cursed the ground/adamah, Adam is from the adamah/ground.
Adam was like God, he was immortal, had he been obedient, he would be alive today.

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

since this is your thread, i would like ask if you're going to exclude other parts of the 'bible'?i know you'd like nothing other than to turn believers away from their faith, and limiting the word which it is based on to 1/66 of it's actual contents would do nothing but help your cause.


not?

"..for dust you are
and to dust you will return.""

Ignorance is bliss


--S

How do you know, Pah, would like nothing better than to turn believers away from their faith?
I think you need to read again his posts.

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by Ronald

How do you know, Pah, would like nothing better than to turn believers away from their faith?
I think you need to read again his posts.

1-i answer question scripturally(romans)
2-he takes a cheap(hollow) shot at romans validity
3-he lends no credability to the 'bible' what so ever.he makes points i'm very sure he already knows the answer to, just to see if it will be given, but perhaps i'm giving him too much credit.how do you think things would be if we lent that much credability to his god a.k.a. science?

more?


--S

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

since this is your thread, i would like ask if you're going to exclude other parts of the 'bible'?i know you'd like nothing other than to turn believers away from their faith, and limiting the word which it is based on to 1/66 of it's actual contents would do nothing but help your cause.

Of course not, bring any contradicting biblical verse to the debate.

But one thing I will not tolerate as a member of ReligiousForums is the disrespetctful innuendo and, as a moderator, will enforce the rule that covers it. You know nothing of my mind and my likes and my purpose. Keep your comments of that nature to yourself.

not?

"..for dust you are
and to dust you will return.""

Please be more specific

Ignorance is bliss

Since ignorance is only the state of not knowing and not indictative of capability, I do not take this personally. But even so, I don't agree with you completely about it being bliss.

-pah-

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by Ronald

Pah,
You are right, death is not a part of the curse. "On the day you eat of it you shall die".
Already a promise.
Cursed the ground/adamah, Adam is from the adamah/ground.
Adam was like God, he was immortal, had he been obedient, he would be alive today.

Good to have you join us, Ronald.

Your opinion makes three. But I think that death is implicit in creating life. Neither the curse nor that promise is given to other living things. Death of plants and animals must, in my mind, have been introduced previous to both. Why would it not have been so for humankind?

At least we agree that it is not present in the curse.

-pah-

[Ronald]

Helpme,
You are flying off the handle, when you are full of poop!
Only his religion and the signature, are you reacting to. Pardon my english, but you sound just like a Christian! Judgemental!

[HelpMe]

Ro6:23
...For the wages of sin is death...

Ro5:12
...It was through one man [Adam] that sin entered the world, and through sin death...

I think, since the first arguement was so poor...

i believe you would guess that may be percieved as offensive as my assumption of your purpose?

So you think death was part of the curse for Adam's disobeying God? Nowhere in Genesis 3:14-19 is mention made of death.

v19—...for dust you are
and to dust you will return...

this is a simple reference to death, there are other times in the bible where returning to dust is likened to death(ecc12:7?).

The span of life was a characteristic of the creation for we know that animals and plants die and they were not cursed.

this is an assumption, you could just as well believe they were immortal before the ground of which they live on was cursed.

Originally Posted by pah

...must, in my mind...

there inlay the problem?since scripture does not state one or the other way, it is best, for a believer, do have a mind open to the possibilty of either.this fact also really nullyfies it's being or becoming a serious issue(besides the other, which is that...how central to any doctorine or practice is this particular subject?).given this, it is really trivial.

Originally Posted by Ronald

but you sound just like a Christian! Judgemental

was i in need of your judgement?can you spot the irony in these 8 words?

when you are full of poop!

well it's been a while so, but anyway...elaborate/clarify?

--S

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by pah

Good to have you join us, Ronald.

Your opinion makes three. But I think that death is implicit in creating life. Neither the curse nor that promise is given to other living things. Death of plants and animals must, in my mind, have been introduced previous to both. Why would it not have been so for humankind?

At least we agree that it is not present in the curse.

-pah-

Because Adam was created in the image of God. In my mind nothing died before man disobeyed, then the promise of death was put in place by man.
Then Elohim had to recreate perfect man again in the form of Yeshua to redeem mankind from sin, at the end of this age we find death and the tempter thrown into the lake of fire, then mankind will once again be like him. Immortal/Perfect in His Image.
Nothing died in the Garden, upon restoration it will be the same.
Shalom Chaver