My own personal reflection (Creator, Zeus, God, Christians, verse)

[Christy]

Originally Posted by true blood

When Christ finished his work, he sat down on the right hand of God because all had been completed for man - for those who choose to believe. Isn't the point of searching for the truth, is to find out the secret of living serenely, spiritually? To no longer be disturbed by the roar of what people say? The doubts that other people have about God don't rattle us? Most people go through life being conditioned by their circumstances-by people, places and things. One day a person may feel as lighthearted as can be and the next day they are moody and melancoly. Isn't the perfect condition is to have an even, steady assurance and peacefulness? Isn't the point of life is to not speak in respect of want but to learn that in whatever state we are in, we are self-sufficient and self-adequate? That is why circumstances do not condition us. This ability comes from an infusion; it is a spiritual intravenous feeling. By conditioning our minds to God's Word and walking in its truth, is to enter into great rest. The rest is a result of believing the integrity of God's wonderful, matchless Word. Good luck Rex on your search.

True Blood - I really like how you defined serenity - not having the doubts other people have about God rattle us; having a spiritual intravenous feeling (feeding?). Isn't it wonderful that even after 4,000 years of onslaught by the "intellectuals" and by the people who think that believing in God is beneath their dignity....God just does NOT go away and neither does His Word, and neither does His Truth?

[Mr Spinkles]

Christy-- with all due respect, what are you talking about? That which you call "God's Word" has been translated, changed, retranslated, reinterpreted, added and subtracted to, and rewritten many times. Peoples' concept of God have changed incredibly in the last 4,000 years also. And what do you mean "His Truth"? What people consider to be God's "Truth" has morphed a great deal over the years...from the ancient polytheistic Hebrews to the monotheistic Jews to the Pharisees to the Gnostics, to the Muslims (including Sunnis and Shi'ite) to the Calvinists and Deists, to the scientific pantheists...which one of these is the original "Truth" that has not gone away or changed in the last 4,000 years? Even the Catholic Church is a great deal different from the early Christian church...and that began roughly 2,000 years ago (not 4,000)!

[trishtrish10]

God spoke and the world(matter) and creatures became. he also created time, the many senses we have, there are more than six, see the interesting topic on senses.there are 23 proofs for the existence of a Creator in the book summa theologica by thomas aquinas.

[Rex]

Originally Posted by Runt

Liking or disliking a notion is not enough of a basis for accepting or rejecting it. I would LIKE to be a world-renowned author, but alas, I am not. I wish there was no evil in the world, but unfortuantely there is. Whether or not an idea is pleasant to me, whether or not I am comfortable with it, does not have any affect on the reality of the idea.

Just because we like the idea of God, just because the idea of God gives us the pleasant, comfortable feeling that we matter, just because we dislike the notion that we were NOT divinely created, does not mean that God exists.

Runt I beg to differ. The notion of someone liking something could be there basis for accepting or rejecting. I might like broccoli and you don't which is a comparison of whether I like the taste and you don't. Since you don't like it then you reject it.

You can bring the same principal into anything. I might like Nietzche for many reasons but I don't need to prove to you why I like him but rather than I as a person like him where as you might now.

Liking something doesn't mean your right. I could like something that couldn't be farther from the truth but I still like it. I can like Evolution but I can't prove it.

Some philosophers even say the more pleasure something gives the greater it is. (Hedonistic Calculator). hehe

[HelpMe]

Originally Posted by Rex_Admin

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infinitely backwards is unimaginable.i really see little to no point in understanding it, but it does intrigue nearly everyone of every faith.

'christianity' asks that we have faith, which is to believe in something we cannot comprehend/touch/see/ect..like believing that something greater than the dinosaurs was on this earth, we have no actual idea what it was, nor have we seen it, but their extinction proves that somethng greater was here to many.as our existance proves that at least one is almighty or from infinitely backwards.

i know this doesn't answer your question, but i've been asking the same one for as long as i've been mature enough to contemplate such things.and i haven't even nearly found an answer, but this...hopefully is bit of an explanation of my stance on said subject?great, now i'm confused.tx


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[Mr Spinkles]

Join the Way of the Spinkle, Rex! It is the greatest religion ever. Here's an explanation:

Basically, we know that Spinkility exists, because it is impossible for us to comprehend it, and so we couldnt' have simply 'invented' it on our own. You have to have faith in Spinkility, as it is something you cannot touch or taste or smell, or even understand. The only thing I know about Spinkility is that it exists, that it is incomprehensible, and that it causes all the motion we see, and that all non-motion is really just an illusion. Science can't explain how an object can possibly NOT be in a state of motion, because science is flawed and doesn't have faith in the Book of Spinkle. Also the Book of Spinkle prophesied that all the boxes would light up and conquer mankind, and this prophesy has come true--we now have electronic computers, cell phones, etc. which rule us rather than us ruling them.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Science has always been in search of the "first cause". For the longest time, science was stymied by the "old" first cause - the Big Bang. But solving this "something from nothing" has lead to a theory that postulates there have beenn an infinite number of "Big Bangs" each produceing a universe - it's called membrane theory. Menbranes (or branes) comprised of strings are thought to collide thus prodicing a universe. But a promising theory as this only raises the question of where do the membranes come from and what really are strings. It is said (and a large part of string theory) that they exist in a 22 or 21 dimensional world (world in the grandest sense) Now the basis for all the "proof" now considered is in mathmatics.

While science pats itself on the back for solving one "something from nothing" the new one will be considered the final answer until it's mathmatics or observation shows inconsistencies. When it doesn't quite "add up", a new quest begins for the first cause.

Gods were always considered as the first cause, the spirit world was the answer for what causes plants to grow, the sun to move, the diverseness of life and all the other unanswerable questions that a fledgling science (or no science at all) could not answer. The spiritual answers came to be repeated and formalized and has evolved into what today is religious thought. But humakind took the spritual answers of the day and began to apply them. Counting the cycles of the moon established the planting season- fire from nature was used for heat and cooking - observation of nature established favorite hunting grounds - just some of the many scientific applications.

But that is just one theory of where gods came from. Another is found in psychology where the devoplement of gods mimiic the developemment of the human mind. A third involves the developement of language. Each of these two has it's adherents and there is some sense of "rightness" or possibility to each.

So, for Chritianity (as an example) we have a biblical story that God was present and created "something from nothing". Science tells us that there may be one or a meld of three reason man created God. None of these four can be proven beyound doubt - there was no recording of these early events.

So the begginings of our world are explained by spirituality or science. Science has the greatest and best track record, in my conclusion Science continually pushes back the "facts" of God and proposes different beginnings but remains correctible when in error.

Is it wrong to claim God or other spirits as a centrality in your life? Heavens no! To put it crudely "whatever flosts your boat" My boat floats on the dignity and faults of humanity and what supports and corrects that and, of course, the promise of science.

-pah-

[trishtrish10]

a proton, nucleons, and electrons have mass. therefore as long as a particle has mass, there is no end to cutting it into to gain a smaller particle. just as space can logically have no end. what's beyond the so called edge of the universe. our Creator is awesome and has no bounds either. he is not bound to time, like we are. he breathed life into us.