Evidence of God (Earth, Kingdom, evolve, prophet, experience)

[Allan]

Well, after spending some hours to construct a reply (12) I found I couldn't post it because it needed more work to get it right. It is hard to cover every point to get balance and it becomes a personal life story. I deleted it.

I have come into the spirituality world from an entirely different perspective.

It is not hard for me to see what other people are up to because it has been my occupation to get the details together and follow clues. I know this can be applied to anything.

I had a personal experience which leaves me seeing the funny side to peoples attitudes and the conflict it brings in relationships.

I am more interested in others having the same experience. (a new family)

It is all very simple if it can be believed.

All humans have a balance of brain chemicals and hormones etc., that are within certain parameters. If they get out of balance in a person they are mentally ill.

Medical science can balance to some extent with a pill or 2 weekly injection, a shot usually in the rump.

All people have the chemical balance that produces everything seen in the passion and emmotion in human endeavour.

It is learnt and established by response to stimulation from childhood with some hereditary input by what is familiar out of genetics.

If the process is followed as it is written in the Bible the chemical balance can be changed completey and maintained. The person must think differently out of a new mind and have an initiation from a enlightened person they have willingly mentally connected with powerfully (a bit like sourcery with out the drugs).

This shows a mental picture of a new perfect nature or more correctly the mind behind the nature.

I have experienced this and pushed some boundaries. When I read the bible and saw the process is written there I was slightly staggered when it became obvious how false religion is.

Every human connects with others all the time interacting and keeping the chemical balance that manifests all human activity. Religion actively keeps the same human chemistry in balance and actually reinforces it, by building up guilt and fear etc. and even nice feelings and comfort.

A so called supernatural initiation would alter this beneficially so a person could see beyond the human balance. That person then would follow the process and could possibly, and hopefully achieve a full realization of God.

The process is all through the bible a little here and a little there.

A "balanced" person would use intellect to interpret scriptures into something more than they are, building all kinds of explanations, hiding the truth.

It is all very clever because if the simple truth was known the Books would not exist.

If the experince had not ocurred in me I would not have known what to look for as clues in my personal life and searches else where.

I have only ever heard one preacher describe the process from the Bible but he had not connected physiology with what should occur. He died recently.

If a person is sensitive perhaps like some chidren it is easy to read the energy coming off a person (a preacher), a good protection and indication to leave them to themselves.

It all becomes so blatantly obvious it is absurd. (to me I suppose)

The main goal in life is to be at peace with others and any quest into spirituality would need to be peaceful and gentle without conflict.

The process of course must acknowledge the instigator and this is where much debat could occur. As far as I am concerned if I want spiritual experience this is the only way I know and for me, but I do need to do better.

[(Q)]

Religion actively keeps the same human chemistry in balance and actually reinforces it, by building up guilt and fear etc.

Religion most certainly builds up guilt and fear, I can't argue against that.

A so called supernatural initiation would alter this beneficially so a person could see beyond the human balance.

It is those 'supernatural initiations' we are all curious about and will probably remain a complete mystery as no one here is able to describe them.

That person then would follow the process and could possibly, and hopefully achieve a full realization of God.

That is of course dependant on how those 'initiations' are interpreted. Since they are not describable by anyone here, their connection to the supernatural is highly questionable.

It is all very clever because if the simple truth was known the Books would not exist.

Circular reasoning.

If a person is sensitive perhaps like some chidren it is easy to read the energy coming off a person

That is nonsense.

It all becomes so blatantly obvious it is absurd. (to me I suppose)

And it appears it shall remain blatantly obvious to you and only you.

[Paraprakrti]

First and foremost, if God wants you to have evidence of His existence He will give it to you. Actually, God means causeless cause. The concept here is that this "God" is eternal and infallible. Therefore, there is no question of who or what created God. Some people then think that God's existence would be superfluous. They say that the universe exists eternally, therefore God is not required. I agree that energy exists eternally. But, I follow that the universe is sometimes manifest and sometimes unmanifest. Even when it is unmanifest the energy still exists in a dormant state. This is simply what I believe based upon ancient Scriptures and is really not up for debate here. Nevertheless, would it be intelligent for me to deny the existence of the sun globe knowing that the sunshine also exists for that duration?? Let us say that the sun is covered by clouds. I can see the sunshine reflecting off of things. So should I think it to be superfluous that there would be a sun globe? The relationship of the sun globe and the sunshine is how one should think of the relationship between God, the Energetic, and His energies.

Bottom line though...
Only God has the authority to say that He doesn't exist.

[Ardhanariswar]

the evidence of God is everyday life.

[Jayhawker Soule]

No, it is not.

[Ceridwen018]

First and foremost, if God wants you to have evidence of His existence He will give it to you.

Fair enough. So if he doesn't give you evidence, and therefore you don't believe, does hw still send you to hell?

Bottom line though...
Only God has the authority to say that He doesn't exist.

......that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Allan]

Religion most certainly builds up guilt and fear, I can't argue against that.


It is those 'supernatural initiations' we are all curious about and will probably remain a complete mystery as no one here is able to describe them.


That is of course dependant on how those 'initiations' are interpreted. Since they are not describable by anyone here, their connection to the supernatural is highly questionable.


Circular reasoning.


That is nonsense.


I described some of what I experienced in my new member introduction to this forum.

I am not actually attempting to convert you to any thing or explaining something that can only be personally experienced by me.

For what ever reason, some people would rather interpret and discuss and teach about something endlessly to satisfy their own adgendas and that is why we have the religions we do.

The bible is complete with descriptions of many supernatural events and I am being careful not to draw any body into saying something they shouldn't.

The Bible has been hijacked by the intellectual who teach in their own power and the listeners enjoy it and that is all they know.

What should be happening can be rationalized and proven by science and then we would know who were the false preachers even without spiritual discernment. The proof is already there but it has raised more questions than answers at this stage.

When I was a child I did not like many adults just because of how I was feeling. I have realized now that if someone is sensitve it is easy to read that all people have their own personal power that is projected by them, even with out talking. Some people are angry, have agendas, con artists, or peaceful, happy etc. That is inside them, in their heart, in their being. What is inside is shown in body language and then what they say and a final realization of their completed actions. A complete bundle.

Most people have no sensitivity and get taken in repeatedly. It is a blindness that is in human nature and it is satan at work. The self developing power to complete its own indulgences and being smug about that and then not being able to interpret incoming information quickly or correctly.

A self indulgence would be in the preacher who instils fear.

I seem to know or have an ability to read people. This doesn't isolate me because I meet a lot of people but I am able to head off a situation and it does make life easier. Sometimes it is better to leave people to it.

An experience of God is just beyond the working of the human. It is beyond the self that is ruled by impulses, agendas cravings etc. Satan's kingdom.

God removes all from sight because of a rebellious nature.

Rebelliousness is as witchcraft. Could this be an ability to get into anothers head and instill fear? Or even good feelings and security that a confidence trickster plays on some one.

What has been shown to me is how it works and how to reach God past all the human realm and it is in the mind. I know the process and it is written in the Bible, a bit here and a bit there.

No person could open my mind up to this because I was as blind as everyone else. It was God who powerfully opened up my mind to this and revealed the nature that Jesus developed on the earth by not connecting with humans in the mind of the human which is Satans kingdom. This is the expression and indulgence of self empowerment to the exclusion of others. This hatches all types of agendas, impulses, cravings, conflicts. All the teachers and religious leaders were using the power of this and they knew it, thy were not ignorant, when Jesus walked on the earth. Jesus powerfully pointed it out to them and they did not like it.

God is not where you think. God is close at hand. God is my father.

Just as humans are all related, I am related to Jesus.

Rather than being interested in my experience only, the process should be of more interest because the changes in physiolgy can be measured by science.

If you take this path and move into the process everything in the human attachment has to be given up. Family, friends and all personal endeavour.

You will have to lose them all because the realm of the mind they are in creates mental bonds that have to be broken.

Not many will complete the process.

The reward is at the end of the process.

The new family is all those who are in the process and able to complete the process.