Mormon or Christians? (Jesus, beliefs, blood, genesis, mission)

[Uncertaindrummer]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

According to the Athanasian Creed, "So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.... So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits."

Here we have one Father (who is God), one Son (who is God) and one Holy Spirit (who is God). But everything works out just fine and dandy if we insist that 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. Whatever... I learned how to count when I was in Kindergarten.

Trying to put NUMBERS which we invented into God is ridiculous. If you want to TRY and get nubers out of it, use 1x1x1=1. Maks mroe sense.

Personally, Drummer, I could care less whether you think I'm a Christian or not. The only thing that really matters to me is what my Heavenly Father thinks and, believe me, He knows my mind and heart a whole lot better than you do. That said, I would not even presume to tell you what you believe. In my opinion, that is the absolute height of arrogance.

I have not told anyone what they believe, I have QUOTED YOU. So tell me. Is Jesus God? If so, there are two Gods. Is there not more than one God? Than Jesus must be the same as the Father. If not, Jesus must beLESS than the father. I have not been telling you what you believe, I have been restating what you yourself have said.

When I profess a believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and as my Savior and Redeemer, and you have the audacity to tell me that this isn't what I believe at all, I simply have to conclude that you are not worth the time spent pursuing the argument.

Kathryn

If you would just answer the questions, I would stop claiming anything.

[Uncertaindrummer]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

You are asking for a warning. Is that what you really want? Your knowledge of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is pathetic, to say the least. Nobody is asking you to accept LDS doctrine, but it is highly inappropriate for you to think you have the right to define or interpret our beliefs for us. We are entirely capable of doing that on our own.

I did not ask for a hsitory of the LDS. I told you to read HISTORY. The Church of the Early centuries was not Mormon, and if you want to start a thread on it, we can.

[Uncertaindrummer]

Secondly, according to your criteria, Catholics aren't Christians either, since they neither accept the Bible as inerrant nor believe in the doctrine of sola fide (your 1st and 3rd arguments). You continue to ignore me on this issue, hoping, I guess, that sooner or later, I'll forget. Well, guess what? I won't. You still havent addressed any of the topics you ignored the first time around, even though you agreed you'd do so, and I went to the trouble of reposting all of them a second time.

Catholics most certainly DO believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, you obviously do NOT know what you are talking about. As for Sola Fide, that is a heretical doctrine, but you are correct--some protestants DO NOT believe Catholics are Christians.

[TheGreaterGame]

There is not authorataive truth, it is all personal opinion and/or personal revelation. Every faith is subjective

Here on this forum it is the responsibilty of moderators to determine demonization. You would do well to heed that for it is not allowed

Well if I subscribe to your "subjectice, exestential, releativism" then guess what . . . I'm right . . . and your in no position to tell me I'm not . . . fortunately I don't adhere to Eastern Philosophy . . . I subscribe to the bible . . . and it is authoratative . . . it tells man what man is to belive about God . . . and what God expects from man.

[TheGreaterGame]

thegg,

I hope you'll excuse me for bowing out of this discussion. I have done my level best to respond to your inquiries. You continue to ignore mine. You also have proven to me that you really have no desire at all to actually understand what I believe. I say this because, regardless of the answers I have given you, you simply continue to ask the same questions and make the same accusations over and over again. I'm starting to lose my patience, to be perfectly honest. I really don't have any desire whatsoever to get into a heated argument with you, and that's obviously where we are headed. It's one thing to disagree, but we are literally going around in circles here. If I thought for a minute that I was making any headway at all (not in convincing you that my beliefs are right, but in helping you to understand them), I'd be happy to continue this discussion ad infinum. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Perhaps we'll talk again some time and will even find some common ground on another topic.

You tire to easily. If truth were imporant you would come back to the table. Besides the first night you asked for a response I gave you one. But lets not play coy . . . you have not answered your own theological gaps.

[TheGreaterGame]

Catholics most certainly DO believe in the inerrancy of the Bible, you obviously do NOT know what you are talking about. As for Sola Fide, that is a heretical doctrine, but you are correct--some protestants DO NOT believe Catholics are Christians.

Vatican II suggests that their are no more heretics because of the RCC views on Inclusivism

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by TheGreaterGame

Vatican II suggests that their are no more heretics because of the RCC views on Inclusivism

Quite wrong....

[TheGreaterGame]

Quite wrong....

That is the greatist argument to prove something right I've ever heard . . . thankyou for that elegant but fallicious proposition.

[Scott1]

Originally Posted by TheGreaterGame

That is the greatist argument to prove something right I've ever heard . . . thankyou for that elegant but fallicious proposition.

I'm sure you know Catholic teachings better than I.....

[TheGreaterGame]

I'm sure you know Catholic teachings better than I.....

I think one would conclude that to be so . . . if your not going to prove me wrong