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Old 08-28-2012, 05:28 AM
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Ok so for sake of debate let's assume god and/or gods are true snd that a religion, some religions or all religions are true. Debate rules if you arguing for a one true religion do so with out scripture. Ill except scripture for an inclusive argument.

This is to prevent a my good my book vs. Your god and book.
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Ok so for sake of debate let's assume god and/or gods are true snd that a religion, some religions or all religions are true. Debate rules if you arguing for a one true religion do so with out scripture. Ill except scripture for an inclusive argument.

This is to prevent a my good my book vs. Your god and book.
please respect this i want an enjoyable thread with out bickering and flaming.
I am definately an inclusivist. Your life is judged by the quality of your heart and not your position on philosophical and religious questions. An atheist with a good heart is better than a believer with a shallow heart and petty hatreds.

There are a flock of problems with any exclusivist position I've ever seen.
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I'm thinking inclusive.
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Inclusive.

Bhagavad Gita 4.11. "O Partha! Whosoever worship Me through whatsoever path, I verily accept and bless them in that way. Men everywhere follow My path."
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Here's how I see it:

The eternal truth is currently (and has been) beyond human expression. At various times and places, those who have gained some acquaintance with the Truth attempt to convey it to others. The results are cults (in the academic sense) which sometimes expand into sufficient popularity (through a variety of means - which often change the original message greatly) to establish themselves as religions.

By nature, any message, any system, must contain some truth. Even random words - even random letters, by their nature, contain some truth-value; some meaning. Lies are disarranged truths; there is no lie without first having the real which is deformed out of accurate representation.

So, all religions contain some truth, the question is degrees and usefulness. Some religions are much, much, much truer, and much more useful, than others. Usefulness is both objective and subjective - leaning towards subjective, and truth is likewise, leaning towards objective.

Some truths are, by their nature, beyond objective referents, they rely on resonance with the perceiver. Utility is much more highly subjective. What's useful to me may not be useful to you.
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Still it work so short post is, any one disagree and see it as exclusive?
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I think there's one reality, and only one religion (a theory of everything) can be right, but philosophical patterns in which rides on to a better life is entirely inclusive.

So I'm exclusive to other gods but inclusive to other philosophies if that makes sense.
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I think there's one reality, and only one religion (a theory of everything) can be right, but philosophical patterns in which rides on to a better life is entirely inclusive.

So I'm exclusive to other gods but inclusive to other philosophies if that makes sense.
their is only one god to worship but many ways to worship him/her/it/me?
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That depends on which god is real, not sure if my theology is the right or not, but if the Christian's were real then it probably wouldn't be.
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That depends on which god is real, not sure if my theology is the right or not, but if the Christian's were real then it probably wouldn't be.
how so i never saw a reason why the bible was for all people. its for Christians. not all humans. the koran however...
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