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Old 08-03-2012, 02:42 AM
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What in your belief, defines the Abrahamic God?

Is he one of creation, destruction...or both? How does this God unify the three tribes of Abraham?
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What in your belief, defines the Abrahamic God?

Is he one of creation, destruction...or both? How does this God unify the three tribes of Abraham?
In great part I would define him through his relationship with the people of Israel, which is a central theme in the Bible (the Hebrew Bible). Realizing that the God of Abraham emerged from a Levantine Israelite and Judaic culture, and not from Christendom or Islam which discuss episodes centuries after the Biblical narratives and the Hebrew prophets.
He is a wholesome God: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7)
The New Testament and the Qur'an discuss very different concepts from the Hebrew Bible, so I am not sure there are 'three tribes of Abraham' to discuss, since there are not 3 denominations of the same faith, but different faiths all together. In various historical times people of the three faiths might have coexisted and syncretized their ideas, for example in Islamic Al-Andalus, and at the court of Saladin in Egypt, and also in Christian medieval Southern and Western Europe. Also perhaps in Prague. The unity of the three faiths, mostly depends on the receptiveness of the people at a certain place and time. For example some Muslims might appreciate the concept of the People of the Book, and have empathy for Judaism and Christianity, while others will focus on other Qur'anic passages which place them at odds with these faiths. Likewise, some Christians may appreciate the Biblical heritage of Jews, while others in history embraced the agenda of categorizing Jews collectively in the character of Judas Iscariot.

I believe these verses from the book of Job are also reflective of the atmosphere the scribes wanted to pass about their God:

"Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
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Thank you for that. I kind of thought along the same lines, I call them "Abrahamic Faiths" because they follow, from what I perceive, as the Abrahamic God. I do recognize that they are separate culture though, which in essence does lead to difference in faith.

Those passages, specifically the last one, is actually pretty enlightening considering my own personal interpretations
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What in your belief, defines the Abrahamic God?

Is he one of creation, destruction...or both? How does this God unify the three tribes of Abraham?
In my view God is more than "Abrahamic". God is one and the same God and He has sent His messengers and prophets to humanity in the east and the west...He has not left us alone without guidance from age to age.

But religions in the west do trace their lineage to Abraham through His progeny.. by Sarah, Hagar or Khetura. So this is usually understood as through a Covenant.

15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land,..

(King James Bible, Genesis)
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What in your belief, defines the Abrahamic God?

Is he one of creation, destruction...or both? How does this God unify the three tribes of Abraham?
IOV He does both. He destructs the older and replaces with a better one through His progressive revelations.
IOV, He unifys them through the revelation of Baha'u'llah, by the teachings that came for this Age for the purpose of unification of Mankind; Unity in Diversity.
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Caladan expressed it quite well, I think.

But I might also want to say that God (I don't conceive of there being an "Abrahamic God," as though there were other gods out there. There is one God, and every religion-- Abrahamic or otherwise-- has very different understandings of Him, sometimes even mistaking the One God for many gods) is the epitome of paradox. He is simultaneously utterly transcendant and completely immanent, both knowable and unknowable, who gives us the inspiration for wise teachings, and yet ultimately remains incomprehensible to us.

God is the Creator of all things, and as such, He has made a universe that includes chaos, entropy, evolution, and other modalities of life that include destruction as elements of creation.
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Caladan expressed it quite well, I think.

But I might also want to say that God (I don't conceive of there being an "Abrahamic God," as though there were other gods out there. There is one God, and every religion-- Abrahamic or otherwise-- has very different understandings of Him, sometimes even mistaking the One God for many gods) is the epitome of paradox. He is simultaneously utterly transcendant and completely immanent, both knowable and unknowable, who gives us the inspiration for wise teachings, and yet ultimately remains incomprehensible to us.

God is the Creator of all things, and as such, He has made a universe that includes chaos, entropy, evolution, and other modalities of life that include destruction as elements of creation.
I will ask a mod to move it into the debate section.

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He is the creator of the universe and all things in it. He is not only the God of a few, but the ONLY God over all nations, all people, all tribes. Life exists due to the power he puts into it. So in that way, all living things owe their lives to God and for that reason also, he has the right to dictate the terms of life.

when someone rejects those terms, God is not obligated to keep that person alive with his power.
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