Doesn't WW2 Show Christiany is Wrong? (Jesus Christ, punishment, Earth, Messiah)

[(Q)]

i believe you can attain heaven by doing good in this world

What you do on Earth with the time your given is what's important and is fixated in the moment, not what awaits you after you die, because when you die, its party time for all the little wormies... and that's it.

you live goodness. thats God.

Is there some reason why you want to add a layer of confusion to a very simple concept? The simple concept of being "good" is relative but is universally understood as not doing that which would harm another, right?

The added layer of confusion is to take that simple concept and call it god. That automatically infers I am merely a puppet with no choices and any good I may or may not do is not of my doing, but instead gods doing.

So, if everyones good is god, why would god need humans?

Do you think its possible, even just a little bit, that we as humans can do good without anyones help?

[Ardhanariswar]

"What you do on Earth with the time your given is what's important and is fixated in the moment, not what awaits you after you die, because when you die, its party time for all the little wormies... and that's it."

sigh. thats what u believe, i believe in samsara and karma. merry christmas.


"Is there some reason why you want to add a layer of confusion to a very simple concept? The simple concept of being "good" is relative but is universally understood as not doing that which would harm another, right?"

not really, i can use the john, but thats not a good deed, cept for my intestines.

i never said goodness was God's doing. it all follows the same thing whether you proclaim ur belief in God or not. i mean, besides all those nonsense kosher rules that u find in religions and thier texts, what does God want from you as a individual!??! to live life to the fullest, do good deeds, be happy, and help others. God did not force you, you have a choice to do this and better your karma. if not, your conscious will get you, and you will go down hill.

and then you say "oh so, God is forcing us, otherwise we will go downhill rite?"
do u really want to kill people for no apparent reason? do you want to steal? do you want to not help people with aids or with cancer, the elderly or disabled.

ya, thought so.

[paul_an_apostle]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

What do you think about John and casting stones?

Who's casting stones? You think I am? - It's the Bible I'm quoting, not me. I'm just another sinner. I'm quoting Jesus, and He is the definitive expert.

QUOTE=(Q)] Read the Bible people - before you debate God's salvation

Funny you should assume we haven't read the Bible. It would be almost as funny if we assumed you didn't read any books other than the Bible.[/quote]

I'm not being sarcastic. I'm really concerned for any who don't understand that Jesus is the only way to salvation. I don't think you read the Bible because salvation is laid out in very clear, concise language, yet you all seem to think there's another way. There is not!!

I realize that this is a little off the main subject, but if you don't get this - your not saved, and the main subject is of no importance. Saving you, on the other hand, is very important. Eternity is a long time to be sorry.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by paul_an_apostle

Who's casting stones? You think I am? - It's the Bible I'm quoting, not me.

You quote John a lot. You pretend that everything you read in John is true. I was just curious about your opinion of the "casting stones" story.

[(Q)]

I'm really concerned for any who don't understand that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

What if we don't want his salvation? Maybe I'm perfectly content to live my life to the fullest and hand my carcass over to the little wormies. Circle of life thing, you know?

I don't think you read the Bible because salvation is laid out in very clear, concise language, yet you all seem to think there's another way. There is not!!

That is your personal opinion. And since the Bible has been shown to be seriously flawed, why would I not simply add it to the other books of its kind on the shelf; ie. Aesops fables, Grimms fairy tales, the Quran?

Saving you, on the other hand, is very important. Eternity is a long time to be sorry.

Quite frankly, I just can't see myself hanging around and talking with theists for an eternity.

The fires of Hell appear that much more inviting.

[Ronald]

Originally Posted by paul_an_apostle

Eternity is a long time to be sorry.

This is one of the MOST UNGODLY of Christian dogmas.
Eternal burning in hell!

Why do you suppose, God didn't tell Paul and Yeshua that amazing fact?

Paul_an_apostle, tell me why Yeshua offered me something I already have?
Tell me why your namesake, then says put on imortality?
(immortal soul doctrine)
Go ahead and stand at the door of the kingdom and hinder those who want to go in. But put on your armor first, because your going to experience, "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom!" It won't be pretty!

Part of the church era/error!

[paul_an_apostle]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

You quote John a lot. You pretend that everything you read in John is true. I was just curious about your opinion of the "casting stones" story.

I think the lesson is relatively obvious. But I'm not sure what your getting at. I assumed you were trying to infer that I am throwing stones, which I'm definitely not. So what are you asking?

Originally Posted by (Q)

I'm really concerned for any who don't understand that Jesus is the only way to salvation.

What if we don't want his salvation? Maybe I'm perfectly content to live my life to the fullest and hand my carcass over to the little wormies. Circle of life thing, you know?

God is a gentleman - He doesn't impose His will on anybody - it's your choice, of course. But please count the cost. If I'm wrong, then all I've lost is a few years of whatever; if you are wrong, what are you losing?

Originally Posted by Ronald

This is one of the MOST UNGODLY of Christian dogmas.
Eternal burning in hell!

Why do you suppose, God didn't tell Paul and Yeshua that amazing fact?

Paul_an_apostle, tell me why Yeshua offered me something I already have?
Tell me why your namesake, then says put on imortality?
(immortal soul doctrine)
Go ahead and stand at the door of the kingdom and hinder those who want to go in. But put on your armor first, because your going to experience, "fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom!" It won't be pretty!

Part of the church era/error!

The Bible describes the punishment in the Lake of fire, it says that hell was created for the devil and his angels and not originally for man. It states that God wants us to choose Him over death. Yeshua knew this and endorsed it (He endorsed he entire Old Testament); Paul Endorsed it. So I guess I don't really understand what your asking or saying.

[(Q)]

If I'm wrong, then all I've lost is a few years of whatever; if you are wrong, what are you losing?

Absolutely nothing. Dead is dead. What is there to lose?

[Scott1]

(Q),

What is there to lose?

Eternal life.

Peace in Christ,
Scott

[(Q)]

There is no such thing as eternal life - that is a contradiction in terms - an oxymoron.