Afghan Taliban Execute Woman

[Looncall]

Originally Posted by Mr. Skittles

In a civilized country? So countries that govern their society with Islamic law is somehow uncivilized?

If one observes such places, what should one conclude?

Is there religious violence, institutionalized cruelty, oppression of women, destruction of ancient monuments, all-pervading corruption? Are there any such countries where none of these are found?

[Mr. Skittles]

Originally Posted by Looncall

If one observes such places, what should one conclude?

Is there religious violence, institutionalized cruelty, oppression of women, destruction of ancient monuments, all-pervading corruption? Are there any such countries where none of these are found?

Well you would have to ask a Muslim that. I hardly would think television showing atrocities in Muslim populated countries as a representative of Islam. As I mentioned to esalem tribal customs send to trump true Islamic values.

I would like to think the United States is a civilized country. But here in the U.S we have racism, sexism, or any other kind of ism that just seems backwards. I mean, we live in a country where the average person thinks Obama is from Kenya. Or that Obama is Muslim simply because his middle name is Hussein. Are these qualities of a civilized society?

[Pink Top Hat]

Originally Posted by Caladan

To further an interest in the subject, what is the punishment for a woman who is found guilty of adultery?

Before the Quran and before Jesus and Muhammad came the punishment for adultery was the Jewish punishment of stoning.

As much as people attribute stoning to Islam it is in fact a jewish custom.

Jesus then came to change the punishment by saying he is without sin etc...

Then possibly people took that as a signal to practice adultery wihtout any punishment so another law was needed.

Then came the Quran with specific guidelines on how to judge adultery and it's new punishment of lashes for both offenders put into writing.

When we talk of stoning or killing an adulterer we must remeber this was the old Jewish way back then in the tribal society and culture.

That still lives on in the same culture and has nothing to do with Islam at all.

[Pink Top Hat]

Originally Posted by Looncall

If one observes such places, what should one conclude?

Is there religious violence, institutionalized cruelty, oppression of women, destruction of ancient monuments, all-pervading corruption? Are there any such countries where none of these are found?

Is there religious violence,

crusaders, Spanish inquisition, Ireland troubles, etc



institutionalized cruelty,

Palestine for one



oppression of women,

Not so very long ago Europe was very anti women. They had no rights, no vote, no right to property, no inheritance, some even had their heads chopped off by their husbands who were kings who also arranged their marriages and dowries,


destruction of ancient monuments,

Christians destroyed many temples and statues and sculptures all over Egypt. The Christian Napoleon and his army enjoyed target practice on the Sphynx and other monuments in Egypt. Christian missionaries destroyed tribal altars and statues on thier missions round the world. The Jews are trying to destory Al Aqsa mosque as we speak in Palestine and they regularly destroy and desecrate ancient tombs and mosques to build car parks and settlements.



all-pervading corruption?

Have a look at the US, the Fed Reserve, Fanny Mae and Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Carlisle Group, and so many others. Check out the European and Western bankers and frauds that have collapsed the regions economy.



Are there any such countries where none of these are found?

[Me Myself]

Originally Posted by ssainhu

Sorry for the delayed reply; I've been out of town. As far as I know, the punishment for men and women is the same. According to the Qur'an, it's 100 lashes for both.

This would be equal if men didn´t have the choice to just marry 4 women while women had to be content with 1 man.

But it is good that the Qran itself does not support the killing at least.

[Pink Top Hat]

Originally Posted by idav

It's a wonder that men are never killed for adultery, it would probably make it hard to find more wives.

The two men were killed.

All 3 were killed.

Did you miss that part in the story?

[Pink Top Hat]

Originally Posted by Me Myself

This would be equal if men didn´t have the choice to just marry 4 women while women had to be content with 1 man.

But it is good that the Qran itself does not support the killing at least.

You need to read the quran.

Before the Quran men could marry as many women as they liked. Hundreds if they wanted.
The Quran came to limit the number right down to 4 from hundreds.

BUT if you read on further in the chapter you will find that those 4 MUST be treated equally. God knows that that is impossible to do so he then writes. and this is the part most of the worlds Muslims follow

Quran
4.129 . Ye will not be able to deal equally between your wives , however much ye wish to do so .

This verse clearly states that men cannot deal equally and therefore should ONLY marry one women.

The ones who marry more than one ignore this Quranic verse and Gods command.

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by Mr. Skittles

In a civilized country? So countries that govern their society with Islamic law is somehow uncivilized?

what kind of news are we getting from these places?


what buisiness does religion have in a governement or court of law?

mistreatement of women

mistreatment of dogs

mistreatment of christians

but what worst of all, mistreatment of each other. the infighting between the different sects is beyond what words can describe

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by Pink Top Hat

Is there religious violence,

crusaders, Spanish inquisition, Ireland troubles, etc



institutionalized cruelty,

Palestine for one



oppression of women,

Not so very long ago Europe was very anti women. They had no rights, no vote, no right to property, no inheritance, some even had their heads chopped off by their husbands who were kings who also arranged their marriages and dowries,


destruction of ancient monuments,

Christians destroyed many temples and statues and sculptures all over Egypt. The Christian Napoleon and his army enjoyed target practice on the Sphynx and other monuments in Egypt. Christian missionaries destroyed tribal altars and statues on thier missions round the world. The Jews are trying to destory Al Aqsa mosque as we speak in Palestine and they regularly destroy and desecrate ancient tombs and mosques to build car parks and settlements.



all-pervading corruption?

Have a look at the US, the Fed Reserve, Fanny Mae and Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Carlisle Group, and so many others. Check out the European and Western bankers and frauds that have collapsed the regions economy.



Are there any such countries where none of these are found?

we are talking about modern times, not ancient times.


you dont want to chalk up horrible acts in the past as a excuse for modern behaviour.

if we go into the past, your in the same playing field and no better then anyone else.


so lets stay with modern times.



Al Aqsa is still there, and if you cant blaim the jews for wanting their most holy site back after it was taken from them, its beyond me.

[Kerr]

Originally Posted by outhouse

theres a reason for the negative spotlight


It is incomprehensible

Quite frankly I dont think Muslims as a whole deserve the negative spotlight. Some groups, of course (talibans come to mind), but not all. I dont blame the ones who has nothing to do with terrorists to become defensive because they are also exposed to the negative spotlight. Maybe its not the best reaction, but its an understandable one.

those religious laws do not apply here, in a civilized country. so do we now blame the islam backed governement of said country that allow's this??

I was only talking about individuals, specifically the ones who are simply tired of being accossiated with lunatics and fundamentalists. Didnt talk about nations. Any government who does nothing in these situations would be at least partly responsible.