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Old 06-19-2012, 06:15 AM
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Did you perchance consider that this evil is due to free will,which God gave us for higher purposes? That there may be a final reckoning? You seem to have the presupposition that you know everything there is to know about evil, when it fact you know little.
This goes beyond free will though.
Consider the diseases and natural disasters which are not caused intentfully by humans. Why doesn't God prevent them?
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:17 AM
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Something that does not exist cannot be neither incompetent or uncaring.
This is the stance that I take... I'm interested in understanding the views of those who do believe that this entity does exist.

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Indeed... free will doesn't seem so free after all.
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This goes beyond free will though.
Consider the diseases and natural disasters which are not caused intentfully by humans. Why doesn't God prevent them?
Because they are caused by the co-creators...namely us. The intent of the ego is to maintain the illusion of separation, and as long as we allow that we allow the consequences.
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Because they are caused by the co-creators...namely us. The intent of the ego is to maintain our illusion of separation, and as long as we allow that we allow the consequences.
I would very much like to hear how we create natural disasters. A great example would be earthquakes which are caused by tectonic movement entiely beyond human control.
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Because they are caused by the co-creators...namely us. The intent of the ego is to maintain the illusion of separation, and as long as we allow that we allow the consequences.
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I would very much like to hear how we create natural disasters. A great example would be earthquakes which are caused by tectonic movement entiely beyond human control.
My answer to Student of X is exactly what darkendless said.
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Because they are caused by the co-creators...namely us.
Suggesting that human beings are the cause of natural disasters goes against probably every piece of observable evidence in existence and is not viable considering the visibly obvious.

This requires explanation to be taken seriously.
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Or option C, neither and you need to look beyond simple "man in the clouds" theism. Then again, I've never met any anti-theists whom I've considered to be knowledgeable in either religion or theism anyway. Just my observation from living in a mostly irreligious area and online.


I've never heard anyone say young children go to Hell, neither Muslim or Christian, ever. And these are the only two religions who believe in eternal Hell. Any Muslim who claims this is going against Islamic teaching.

So your "under many views" claim sounds like you've pulled it from somewhere else.
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I would very much like to hear how we create natural disasters.
If you desired to know with your whole being, then you would probably already know. Since your being is not whole, since it is divided and conflicted and opposes itself, any answer I give you will be irrationally opposed by your ego-self...and you will fail to understand.

That's why I don't bother talking to people much here anymore. Actually I'm seriously thinking about closing my account. Too many people here are too limited to ego-consciousness. I just can't stoop to that level anymore.

If you want to know then you can start by reading the books I linked to, and as you read them pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. Don't let your ego-self stop you.
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If you desired to know with your whole being, then you would probably already know. Since your being is not whole, since it is divided and conflicted and opposes itself, any answer I give you will be opposed by your ego-self...and you will fail to understand.

That's why I don't bother talking to people much here anymore. Actually I'm seriously thinking about closing my account. Too many people here are too limited to ego-consciousness. I just can't stoop to that level anymore.

If you want to know then you can start by reading the books I linked to, and as you read them pray for guidance from the Holy Spirit. Don't let your ego-self stop you.
Why do you reply when you are unwilling to explain your argument?
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Why do you reply when you are unwilling to explain your argument?
The books I linked to do a better job as a place to start. I am not going to spend all day trying to explain something to people who probably aren't ready to learn when there is material out there already that can do a better job. But I will spend a few minutes making a couple of small posts and recommending good books that I've read personally. If that isn't good enough, then ts.
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