Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

[Thief]

Originally Posted by waitasec

interesting notion when you're talking about god



why is absolution validated with a sacrifice, if jesus' death of natural causes would have had the same consequence?

Are you confusing your thread topics?
Or something else?

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Thief

Are you confusing your thread topics?
Or something else?

the title is; did jesus really have to die for our sins...
for the sake of argument
jesus dying for our sins provided a way for absolution, didn't you know that?

another question that is hard to come to terms with...
your unattractive habit of is noted, again

[Thief]

Originally Posted by waitasec

the title is; did jesus really have to die for our sins...
for the sake of argument
jesus dying for our sins provided a way for absolution, didn't you know that?

At this point, I know you're being sarcastic.

another question that is hard to come to terms with...
your unattractive habit of is noted, again

And your habits are here on display as well.

You couldn't find absolution in the other thread....
getting your hopes up here?

[idav]

Originally Posted by The Sum of Awe

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

The whole crucifixion twas not a good thing to celebrate but it sent a message that didn't stop. The injustice that the story showed obviously got to people. A person could have really done that, similar to Ghandis style, and accomplish a lot. He took everything without a fight and sacrificed his life that proved a real point. His life should be celebrated more than his death.

As far as being the son of man there was no reason for him to die and would have been able to wash our sins without the need to die, that was the same thing Jacob and his descendants would be able to do as being a chosen lineage of God.

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by Thief

And your habits are here on display as well.

You couldn't find absolution in the other thread....
getting your hopes up here?

so ah, no i'm not confusing the topic...

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Originally Posted by The Sum of Awe

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

Good question. Here is the answer in a nut shell. God, according to Christian Theology, is perfect in his ways. He is the ultimate source of goodness, and he is also the ultimate source of judgement and discipline. Now, with that being said, he cannot allow sin to go unpunished, because that would contradict his morally good character. The punishment for sin is death, as Paul indicates in Romans 6:23. After the fall of man, God set up a system to where a person that sins, in order to have atonement for his sin, he would have to slaughter an animal for that atonement. An animal is not a moral agent, so an animal doesn't "sin", therefore, the animal that is slaughtered provides a good atonement for the sin committed. The animal was sacrificed in place of the human. To give an example of this, considered what Job did, Job 1:4-5, "4 His sons used to hold feasts in their homes on their birthdays, and they would invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 When a period of feasting had run its course, Job would make arrangements for them to be purified. Early in the morning he would sacrifice a burnt offering for each of them, thinking, “Perhaps my children have sinned and cursed God in their hearts.” This was Job’s regular custom.

That is the general idea of how things worked for sin atonement. Now with Jesus, Christians are not under old testaments laws and customs. We are under what is called the "new convenant". Jesus, being morally perfect, is the sacrifice that Christians use for our sins, instead of slaughtering animals. Since we all sin, instead of sacrificing animals, our sins are covered by the precious blood of the "Lamb", which is Jesus (which is why he is called the "Lamb"). And his blood is not only sufficient to cover one person, but being as perfect as he is, his blood is sufficient to cover the whole sins of the whole world. The only thing we need to do is believe that he died on the cross for our sins, and live our lives according to his Word. Another way to look at it is someone loving you so much that they are willing to die for what YOU'VE done wrong. That is what Jesus did. Understand?

And another thing, you asked "why make a man...".....you have to realize that God didn't make Jesus. Jesus is in fact God, as John 1:1 indicates. This only makes sense, because only God can live life on earth being morally perfect and sin free. When i say "Jesus is God", that doesn't mean that Jesus is the Father. The Son and the Father are two different beings, sharing the title of "God", along with the Holy Spirit and all three are what Christians call "The Holy Trinity".

[Willamena]

Originally Posted by The Sum of Awe

If Jesus were a metaphor, there would have been no apostles, thus no Christianity.

Maybe they are metaphors, too.

[The Sum of Awe]

Originally Posted by Willamena

Maybe they are metaphors, too.

Maybe, but who would write the Bible or inspire it?

[Gjallarhorn]

Originally Posted by The Sum of Awe

Maybe, but who would write the Bible or inspire it?

The metaphorical scribes of course.

[Kilgore Trout]

Originally Posted by The Sum of Awe

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

Asking religion to make sense is like asking a chunk of granite to recite Shakespeare.