Muslims: Keeping the wife "in line"

[ssainhu]

Originally Posted by Pegg

so he obviously didnt think it was a form of evil if his wife worked outside the home or if he did some of the housework

yet the quote given by Godbearer from the Quran stated that it is an 'evil for a man to do the work in the home' (along those lines)

i'll go back and try and find the quote

Exactly. I'm on my phone but tomorrow I'll try and find some Hadith that discuss both her career and the Prophet's willingness to help around the home. I'll also provide proof that the woman IS NOT required to cook for her husband. It is his duty, if she wishes, to hire a cook for them.

So much for indoctrinated enslavement of women.

Islam has been so completely distorted by its followers it's hard to tell what's what anymore.

[ssainhu]

Found one:

The guidance of the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) toward his wives is the best example. Imam Al-Bukhari reported that al Aswad said:" I asked Aisha what the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) used to do in his house? She replied:" He used to serve his wives, and when the time for prayer came he used to go out for the prayer."
Imam Ahmed reported that Aisha said:" I was asked about what the prophet used to do in his house? I replied:" He was an ordinary man, he used to sew his garment, milk his goat, and serve himself"

You have no other claim upon them, Cooking is not the duty of a wife

From this Tradition the Jurists have deduced a ruling of delicate nature and which makes men annoyed. The ruling lays down that according to the Shari'ah it is not the responsibility of a woman to cook food for the household. For this purpose the Jurists have divided women into two classes. Women of one class are those who do household work, including cooking food in their parent’s houses. The other class consists of women who do not cook food in their father’s house where cooks are employed for this work. If after marriage a woman of the latter class goes to her husband’s house she is not at all responsible to cook food, religiously, legally, morally or otherwise. On the other hand, that wife may ask her husband to hire a cook for her as man is obliged to provide her with food along with other necessaries of life.

Sacrifices of Women and Cooking is not their Duty - Status and Rights of Women in Islam

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by pegg

what if the husband gets sick or injured and cannot work? How will he provide for his family if only he can be the breadwinner???

This is a major flaw of the Quran in my opinion. When very tight rules are imposed such as 'the wife is the house servant and man is the worker outside the house', then it can make life very difficult if your circumstances change.

If the man cannot work due to illness, then surely a wife should be able to do so to support her family...if she cannot because the religion has established a rule that she must only work at home, then the family will starve. Where is the wisdom in that?

You're right about that.

In the real world, nothing is ever so black-and-white. Trying to follow strict interpretation or guideline of the Qur'an (or any other scriptures for that matter), can have negative impact or disastrous consequence on the individual or group of people.

And marriage or other relationship is no different.

[Pegg]

Originally Posted by ssainhu

Found one:

Sacrifices of Women and Cooking is not their Duty - Status and Rights of Women in Islam

Its interesting. It reminds me of how the various mosques have their own individual teachers in them who instruct the muslims who attend the mosque. Where do the individual teachers get their teachings from? Is there a central body to whom the teacher is responsible or held accountable? Because it seems that the various teachers promote different ideas and standards to follow which is probably why some muslims have very different ideas on such matters.

[Pegg]

Originally Posted by gnostic

You're right about that.

In the real world, nothing is ever so black-and-white. Trying to follow strict interpretation or guideline of the Qur'an (or any other scriptures for that matter), can have negative impact or disastrous consequence on the individual or group of people.

And marriage or other relationship is no different.

thats right, life is never black and white. Its like the catholic church and their rule about contraception use...it is absurd to think that such a rule is put in place when life is so difficult for families. I hate it when people impose rules on others and expect them to live by them when even God does not impose such rules on us.

[Godobeyer]

Originally Posted by Badran

In other words, you still refuse to read my posts appropriately or are simply unable to make it past a few sentences (due to lack of care or whatever). Okay then, when you're ready to be serious let me know. Until then please have the courtesy to spare me your ******** advice and stop misrepresenting my position.

I wonder what is ******** ,
honestly if i instead of you i will be sorry that my post was against what Allah said in Quran.استغفر الله

you don't tell me you are against the slave of the wife , you tell me you are against the submission .
I read your claims it's just an opinion (had no reference ), and almost ambiguous to me (not clear) , mine it's an opinion , it's Quran verse and hadiths .


if i choice to follow ,if i should follow your opinion or Quran and Hadiths ?
of course i will follow what God and Muhammad said .

but if it's just misudernstand we each other , that's other problem , because I am talking with Debater and he told me that he with submission but in condition that He did not slave her . and I am compeletly agree with him.

submission in Islam never mean slavery , submission it's just kind of respect to husband .

[Godobeyer]

You keep talking about HER duties! I'm talking about HIS. You have NOT answered the questions I have asked at all, in any post. What is so hard about answering my questions? sister the verse of Quran and Hadiths had not exceptions .

IF a wife earns more than the husband, if she want obey God (respect the meaning of the verse and Hadiths), she should obey her husband

IF the husband makes less or nothing by EITHER circumstance or choice, there are case there is choice , some others had no choice, it's up to them , how they solve their problems and mange their life .

IF the wife then becomes the main financial provider, and the man become the main homemaker and child rearer (same answser) if she want obey God (respect the meaning of the verse and Hadiths), she should obey her husband

IS the man failing in his "duties" to god and his wife as a Muslim man? (for exemple he did not pray his 5 prayers ?)she should warning him if he back to ,it's ok , if insist to , she should ask the divorce if she want .

I am asking about the husband and HIS duties. NOT what the wife's duties are or how she should react in any way. JUST about how a Muslim man in such a situation is viewed AS A MUSLIM in regards to his perceived "duties". i answsered about the duties of husband many times . his duty is become a good man to her and care in everything (food clothes ,hospital , education to her kids ....anything she want by his limite money) and she should not ask about thing he could not buy for her ,
the result he should care about her to make her happy with him , and make her feel that he deserve to be obeyed .

[Godobeyer]

Originally Posted by Debater Slayer

Brother, I realize that you are frustrated, but I think we should be calmer than this.

I'm not trying to sound like I'm patronizing you or anything, just that I hope we can keep this within the acceptable realm.

Argue with what is best.

brother Debater Slayer , I guess you are the only one who understand my point here ,
can you please intervene to resume my opinion which supported by "hadith and verse " to them .
and resume their opinion to me even in arabic .
I am not sure that they understand me as you did privatly , and i am not sure that i understand them .

[Godobeyer]

Originally Posted by Meow Mix

To those who are getting frustrated, just keep in mind that people who would assume Godobeyer's interpretation of Islam applies to all Muslims probably aren't worth the time anyway if they can't figure out that Godobeyer's interpretation is vastly outnumbered even by fellow Muslims here.

I get the frustration though. There are a lot of atheists that say facepalm-worthy things that frustrate me, too.

Plus, I think Godobeyer's a fundamentally good guy -- perhaps just with a misguided idea of relationships.

it's honor to me that this is your opinion in me ,
accuatly if they are againt the slavery of the wife , i am too
if they with duty of the wife to her husband (obey him ) as the Quran and Suna said i am too .
if they the duty of the husband to her wife "care , love , respect ....;etc " i am too

[Godobeyer]

Originally Posted by Meow Mix

I've interpreted that as a language barrier issue. Godobeyer has quoted sites without realizing the sites were satirical, for instance. I don't think he's doing it on purpose

accuatly it's the second time i found my self ,copy/paste from that site
next time i take more attention .