Evidence that Jesus was gay (gospel, Kingdom, translation, elder)

Bright-ness' Shadow · #1 04-04-2005, 05:30 PM

From an authenticated fragment of Mark 10

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And they went to Bethany and there was a woman whose brother had died. And coming up to him, she prostrated herself before Jesus and said to him, "Son of David, have mercy on me." But the disciples rebuked her.

And becoming angry, Jesus went with her to the garden where the tomb was. And immediately a great sound was heard from the tomb, and Jesus, going toward it, rolled away the stone from the entrance to the tomb. And going in immediately where the young man was, he stretched out a hand and raised him up, holding his hand. Then, the man looked at him and loved him and he began to call him to his side, that he might be with him. And going from the tomb, they went to the house of the young man, for he was rich. And after six days, Jesus instructed him. And when it was late, the young man went to him. He had put a linen around his naked body, and he remained with him through that night. For Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God. After he got up from there, he turned to the region of the Jordan.

linwood · #2 04-04-2005, 05:41 PM

Is this a change from the current 10:46-52?

And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging.
And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, [thou] Son of David, have mercy on me.
And many charged him that he should hold his peace: but he cried the more a great deal, [Thou] Son of David, have mercy on me.
And Jesus stood still, and commanded him to be called. And they call the blind man, saying unto him, Be of good comfort, rise; he calleth thee.
And he, casting away his garment, rose, and came to Jesus.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight.
And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

Do you have a link to reference pah?

Bright-ness' Shadow · #3 04-04-2005, 05:43 PM

From Clement of Alexandria

Plate II: Folio 1 Recto
01 Alexandria, where it is even now still extremely carefully guarded, being read
02 only to those who have been initiated into the greatest mysteries. The miserable
03 demons, however, are always devising destruction for the human race.
04 After being taught by them and using their deceptive arts, Carpocrates
05 was able to enslave some elder from the church in Alexandria
06 and get the written part of the secret gospel from him. And he
07 interpreted it according to his blasphemous and carnal opinion. Still
08 he defiles it, mixing with the most undefiled and holy narratives the most
09 shameless lies. The teaching of the Carpocratians is derived from this mixture.
10 Therefore, one must never yield to them, just as I said before. Also, one must not concede
11 to them that the secret gospel is from Mark, when they put forth their lies.
12 Rather one must deny it, even with an oath. For one does not have to speak
13 the whole truth to everyone. For this reason the wisdom of God declares through Solomon,
14 "Answer the fool from his folly," teaching that, from people whose minds are blinded,
15 the light of the truth must be concealed. At once, she (Wisdom)
16 says, "From the one who has not, it will be taken," and, "Let the fool go in darkness."
17 But we are the children of light, who have been illuminated in the rising of the heights of the
18 spirit of the Lord. "Where the spirit of the Lord is," she says, "there is freedom." For all
19 things are pure to those who are pure. So I will not hesitate to answer the questions for you,
20 exposing their lies from the actual words of the gospel.
21 At any rate, after the part, "They were going up on the road to Jerusalem" and the following things
22 until, "after three days he will arise," it takes up according to the text:
23 "And they went to Bethany and there was a woman whose brother had died.
24 And coming up to him, she prostrated herself before Jesus and said to him, 'Son of David,
25 have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And becoming angry,
26 Jesus went with her to the garden where the tomb was. And

Plate III: Folio 2 Recto
01 immediately a great sound was heard from the tomb, and Jesus, going toward it
02 rolled away the stone from the entrance to the tomb. And going in immediately where
03 the young man was, he stretched out a hand and raised him up, holding
04 his hand. Then, the man looked at him and loved him and
05 he began to call him to his side, that he might be with him. And going from
06 the tomb, they went to the house of the young man. For he was rich. And after
07 six days, Jesus instructed him. And when it was late, the young man went
08 to him. He had put a linen around his naked body, and
09 he remained with him through that night. For Jesus taught him
10 the mystery of the kingdom of God. After he got up from there,
11 he turned to the region of the Jordan." And after these things, this follows:
12 "James and John go to him," and that whole section.
13 But the "naked man with naked man" and the other things you wrote about are
14 not found. After, "and he goes to Jericho," it adds only, "And the
15 sister of the young man whom Jesus loved was there, as well as
16 his mother and Salome. And Jesus did not welcome them."
17 But the many other things which you wrote both seem, and are, most false. So,
18 the truth according to the right interpretation. . .

lilithu · #4 04-04-2005, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pah

From an authenticated fragment of Mark 10

Ooh that's it, pah. You are sooooo going to hell. See ya there!

linwood · #5 04-04-2005, 05:47 PM

Hmm...Thanks Pah.

You`ve given me reason to be up late into the evening checking this out.

Very interesting.

Prima · #6 04-04-2005, 05:57 PM

I'm not sure why this proves that Jesus was gay. The bible repeatedly says that people love each other, spend the night with each other, etc. At the time the Bible was written, that didn't have a sexual connatation. Phrases like 'lie with' is what we think of as 'sleep with' today. The expression of love was thoroughly different then than now - the greeting, as it is still in places like france, was kisses, not handshakes. The disciple John says that he is the 'one Jesus loved' and we do not place sexual connatation on that. So why on this?

Besides, it clearly says that the man was in the tomb naked, and then clothed himself before going with Jesus.

I'm just not sure where this idea is coming from.

Bright-ness' Shadow · #7 04-04-2005, 05:58 PM

http://www.trends.net/~yuku/bbl/8secmk.htm

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

http://www.gospels.net/translations/...anslation.html

http://www.webcom.com/gnosis/library/secm.htm

The beginnings of the topic

Melody · #8 04-04-2005, 06:22 PM

Seems to be a bit of a stretch.

Mister Emu · #9 04-04-2005, 07:35 PM

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For Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God

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For Jesus taught him the mystery of the kingdom of God

As can be seen in both quotes, Jesus taught him about the kingdom of God. Now unless you are going to say that the mystery of the kingdom of God is male homosexual sex then there is no "evidence that Jesus was gay"