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Old 08-21-2011, 11:55 AM
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"where do babies come from mommy?" is a challenge presented by the child who is ignorant of how people reproduce
No, it is a question seeking knowledge.

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it seems to me you are not prepared for the question
I just think it is a little ridiculous to come to religious education forum and create a thread based on blatant misrepresentation. The title of this thread is "Original Sin: We exist, therefore we are bad". Even cursory research of the topic would show that that is not what the doctrine of original sin says.

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'because i know you don't know and that is how i know how babies are made'
A far more accurate portrayal of the situation is a 20 year old asks what people think of the storks that bring children to their house. A mom responds that the 20 year old doesn't understand how babies are made, and tells how babies are actually made.

The mother is fully qualified to know how babies are made and to know that the 20 year old doesn't understand the process.

You can either accept the authority of the one making the statement, research it yourself, or wallow in ignorance. The choice is yours, it makes no difference to me.

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in other words you are prepared to explain nothing.
I explained what Original sin actually teaches, what it does not teach, and what grace is(with further reading). I'm not going to be your English lexicon, dictionary.com if you want to know what an english word means.

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just because you say so....?
If you don't accept me saying so, read about original sin in the Catechism(Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Fall) and on Newadvent(CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Original Sin)
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:27 PM
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No, it is a question seeking knowledge.


I just think it is a little ridiculous to come to religious education forum and create a thread based on blatant misrepresentation. The title of this thread is "Original Sin: We exist, therefore we are bad". Even cursory research of the topic would show that that is not what the doctrine of original sin says.


A far more accurate portrayal of the situation is a 20 year old asks what people think of the storks that bring children to their house. A mom responds that the 20 year old doesn't understand how babies are made, and tells how babies are actually made.

The mother is fully qualified to know how babies are made and to know that the 20 year old doesn't understand the process.

You can either accept the authority of the one making the statement, research it yourself, or wallow in ignorance. The choice is yours, it makes no difference to me.


I explained what Original sin actually teaches, what it does not teach, and what grace is(with further reading). I'm not going to be your English lexicon, dictionary.com if you want to know what an english word means.


If you don't accept me saying so, read about original sin in the Catechism(Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Fall) and on Newadvent(CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Original Sin)

that isn't why i am on a religious debating section...
you are not providing anything and you know it
all i get from you is you cannot add anything to the subject and can only point your finger toward a particular direction without adding anything to it...
why are you on a debating section when you aren't even debating?
your stance is, "i am right because i say so and i'm not here to listen to your argument..."
interesting maneuvers...if your intention is to be pointless and self defeating.
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Old 08-21-2011, 02:08 PM
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why are you on a debating section when you aren't even debating?
To ensure that the misrepresentation of my belief does not go unchallenged.

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your stance is, "i am right because i say so and i'm not here to listen to your argument..."
I am right because what the doctrine of original sin says and what has been portrayed are two different things.

You are correct though, I won't listen to an argument that tries to tell me what I believe and what my Church teaches.

Debate the validity of what I believe all you want, but don't tell me what my doctrines are.
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Old 08-21-2011, 03:34 PM
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To ensure that the misrepresentation of my belief does not go unchallenged.
you have still yet to challenge the challenge...
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you have still yet to challenge the challenge...
What challenge? I've noted how the actual doctrine of original sin is different than was presented in the OP and early portion of the thread and I've given resources to back me up.

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what do you think the debate is about?
Apparently it is about you trying to tell me what I believe and the Church teaches.
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What challenge? I've noted how the actual doctrine of original sin is different than was presented in the OP and early portion of the thread and I've given resources to back me up
no you didn't....

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Original Sin doesn't say we are born sinful or evil for one.

It says we are born lacking grace, inclined to sin.
the OP never insinuated evil...apparently you over looked the OR in his statement...there were 3 options and you
picked the 1st one...
we are born lacking of grace = we lack the ability to follow rules
we are born inclined to sin = we have a sinful nature
you are not adding anything or changing anything the OP suggests...yet the OP doesn't know the doctrine of original sin? i don't get it...
why don't you want to explain what it is so this doctrine isn't misrepresented
my guess is you can't...
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Apparently it is about you trying to tell me what I believe and the Church teaches.
no not really, just calling out false claims when i see it.
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What do you think of this idea that we are born sinful, separated from God, or somehow unworthy of God's love and notice?
i would disagree. if we're unworthy of love then we would not exist in the first place

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the OP never insinuated evil..
Read the title of the thread.

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apparently you over looked the OR in his statement...there were 3 options and you
picked the 1st one...
I picked the most egregious part.

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we are born inclined to sin = we have a sinful nature
To have an inclination to sin is not the same as being sinful. One means that you are prone to sin, the other means you have sinned.

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why don't you want to explain what it is so this doctrine isn't misrepresented
Not having "the complete mastery of his passions, exemption from death, sanctifying grace, the vision of God in the next life."
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Original Sin

That is why I gave the resources...
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What do you think of this idea that we are born sinful, separated from God, or somehow unworthy of God's love and notice?
I think it is precisely our ability to screw up that makes us human. It is our ability to choose that gives the ability to screw up. It is the choice we make that can be sinful.
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