Why do you teach your children your belief?

[Me Myself]

Originally Posted by Tristesse

I am placing no more rigid evidence for gods existence then I would for anything else. If someone had an experience and claim it's evidence for them, then thats fine, but it's not evidence that could convince me, or should convince anyone else.

I am with you except for the last bolded part. I think it may or may not convince. If I have a son I´ll tell him I beleive in God because I do , because I have had a lot of evidences (had my own miracles) and I always feel he is by my side. I won´t tell him that he must beleive or that it´s true because the bible says so or W/e. I am just basing it up in my experience.

If my son trusts me on that, that will be enough for him atleast for him to try and feel god. If he grows up and he still hasn´t experienced it and tells me he is an atheist, I am just telling the little bugger I love him and nothing will change that. But tobeleive in someone else´s experience is not necesarily a "don´t" . If you trust this person´s judgement, its very natural. Now for that you should at least try it out for yourself if it doesn´t work out then nobody is infalible, the person you trusted may have been wrong, but told you what honestly felt.

No biggy. We teach our children what we beleive in our hearts to be true. At the end, we just want them to follow their hearts, and hope that we put in them enough love for that to actually be a good thing

Originally Posted by Tristesse

Conciousness - the relationship between the mind and how it interacts. Is this what your god is?

I would just call it concioussness and awareness maybe. The mind is experienced by this awareness. Yes I beleive this is God, and that everything is concioussness.

I beleive this reality is as malable as dreams, the difference is that they are shared dreams, so people share your ability to mold it. It is not enough to superphycially beleive you can change stuff, you must know it to actually do. Like when you have a concious dream (don´t know if you eve r had one of those) In any case, I´ve found more than enough evidence for myself to this claims.

I am not telling you so youbeleive, I am just telling you.

Originally Posted by Tristesse

I cannot control what other's teach their kids. They're free to teach them whatever they want, but to teach them that their religion is true, without reasonable justification is wrong. Thats my opinion.

My opinion is that feeling as a justification is a resonable one(The same way you feel your keyboard). Logical fallacies are unresonable justifications. Unfortunately, people in general tend to recur to logical fallacies. Personally I think that is prove of a pretended faith (and I mean, they do trick themselves before tricking others)

[Tristesse]

Originally Posted by pwfaith

Why do you get to judge what should and should not be convincing for others?

I don't, but if you're convinced because of someone else's experience, how could you possibly be justified? There are acounts of people being abducted by aliens, someone else believing that claim is not justified, by that persons claim alone.

[pwfaith]

Originally Posted by Tristesse

It is infact evidence. Different claims require different evidence, I don't find whether or not I'm typing to be particularly lacking of evidence. I mean obviously you know that keyboards exist and people type on them. Like I said, mundane.

If we cannot see you typing on it how can we KNOW - knowing keyboards exist is not evidence of YOU sitting there typing on it, when we can't see you. What other evidence do you have to offer? You are missing my point. It was asked for proof that you had a keyboard, you said "well I'm typing on it" but we can't see you typing on it, so how have you offered us proof that you have a keyboard?

[pwfaith]

Originally Posted by Tristesse

I don't

You just did in the post I quoted.

[pwfaith]

Originally Posted by UltraViolet

It's fine to tell your children what you believe,
how you see things,

but it's not fair to their integrity as an individual
to tell them that they must see and believe, as you.

I sometimes hear parents speak of their whole family,
including their kids, in terms of "We believe..........".
I find this very..... commandeering.
Children are individuals first,
and extensions of your Self,
in a MUCH looser sense.
(primarily biological and situational)

I agree.

Have you ever asked those parents what their children believe? It would be quite correct for my parents to use that statement as both they and their children (my sister and I and our spouses) all have the same foundational beliefs and are all Christians. Both my sister and I made the decision to accept Christ when we were between 6 & 10 years old. From that point it would have been correct for them to use that statement, right? We made the decision of our own free choice, as individuals, but from that point on as a family unit we all had the same set of beliefs (or at least core beliefs).

How can a parent speak to what a child believes?
(when the child doesn't even have enough life experience to really know for him/her Self)

Speaking for myself, life experience was not needed to understand the basics of the gospel and choose that for myself. Life experience has only increased my desire for this faith and made it more clear to me. My parents were able to speak of what I believed as a child b/c I told them when I believed. In my early teens I questioned certain beliefs of theirs, however our foundational/core beliefs never differed, only beliefs based on our convictions or preferences.

[Tristesse]

Originally Posted by pwfaith

If we cannot see you typing on it how can we KNOW - knowing keyboards exist is not evidence of YOU sitting there typing on it, when we can't see you. What other evidence do you have to offer? You are missing my point. It was asked for proof that you had a keyboard, you said "well I'm typing on it" but we can't see you typing on it, so how have you offered us proof that you have a keyboard?

Who said anything about Know?

Again, proof is the wrong word, you mean evidence.

You could come here and see me typing on it, but either way it's very mundane. However the claim that a deity not only exists, but that it loves you, needs a lot more evidence than the typing situation. It's a category error thats being made.

[Me Myself]

Originally Posted by Tristesse

Who said anything about Know?

Again, proof is the wrong word, you mean evidence.

You could come here and see me typing on it, but either way it's very mundane. However the claim that a deity not only exists, but that it loves you, needs a lot more evidence than the typing situation. It's a category error thats being made.

According to you every person decides how much evidence is nesesary for him/her.

So yu get to say keyboard exists because your life depends on it. She gets to say that God exists because __________

[Tristesse]

Originally Posted by pwfaith

You just did in the post I quoted.

I said it's nothing that should convince anyone, unfortunately it does.

[Tristesse]

Originally Posted by Me Myself

According to you every person decides how much evidence is nesesary for him/her.

So yu get to say keyboard exists because your life depends on it. She gets to say that God exists because __________

Yeah, she can say god exists, that doesn't mean she has evidence, it would just be an assertion at that point. My life does not depend on keyboards existing, I'm not that dorky yet.

[Me Myself]

Originally Posted by Tristesse

Yeah, she can say god exists, that doesn't mean she has evidence, it would just be an assertion at that point. My life does not depend on keyboards existing, I'm not that dorky yet.

xD Honestly thought, you are

Originally Posted by Tristesse

Insufficient for who? Not me. I'm experiencing the keyboard as I type, if it's a dream, then it's a dream. There's nothing I can do about it, but I have to live my life as if it's real, otherwise whats the point. How is not believing my life is a dream not reasonable?

Well you have the need of living your life as if it were real, you´ll say to anyone who asks you about something like your keyboard as if this anything was real, even though you clearly can´t prove it.

The thing is that you need to

Originally Posted by Tristesse

live my life as if it's real,

I´ll just remember you that for most people that beleive in God, God IS life. So they could say:

Originally Posted by Tristesse

otherwise whats the point. How is not believing my GOD is a dream not reasonable?

Just replaced life for god there, obviously.

Both cases, you are completely unable to prove it/Him.