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Old 08-17-2011, 11:04 PM
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Well, I'm typing on it. There you go, evidence. Can you provide evidence that it isn't real?
You could be speaking to the computer using Dragon speech recognition software We can't see you typing on it, how do we know it's really there?
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Can I add, from a Christian perspective, I can see death as healing as well, for friends who are also Christians. B/c we believe in heaven there is no illness, sadness, disease, etc. I had a friend pass away from breast cancer this year. Early 30s and had 2 beautiful daughters. Naturally we all prayed for healing, and she had beat it once several years ago, but it came back. Drs only gave her 3-6 months and she lived 2.5 yrs longer than they predicted. The funeral was beautiful and everyone talked about her faith. She had such strong faith. We accepted that her time here was done, her human body here, gave up, but in heaven she was fully restored and will be whole, disease free and as joyful there as she was here. While we were sad to have her leave us. Selfishly we didn't want her to die. Even now, many months later, opening the cookbook we all created together and seeing her name by some of the recipes brings a smile to my face b/c I know she is no longer suffering. Her healing came, just not on earth.
I too beleive in heaven. I just meant it doesnīt sound as pretty . but yeah I am sure they went off really peacefully that their daughters could live their lifes, and am sure they had good stuff waiting for them in the spirit realm.

Itīs really great that you can see it that way . For a lot of peple itīs hard because they say they beleive but in their core they truly just want to beleive that they are okay. And well in general even for those of us that know, it is sometimes difficult the separation.

Well, she gain her healing and you a heavenly supporter
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That evidence is completely insufficient. Have you no knowledge that in dreams you can type?

I donīt need to prove itīs real, I am just saying that according to you, you canīt beleive in it unless you have proof. One can type in dreams, so thas no proof.
Proof is for liquor and mathmatics, what you mean is evidence.

Insufficient for who? Not me. I'm experiencing the keyboard as I type, if it's a dream, then it's a dream. There's nothing I can do about it, but I have to live my life as if it's real, otherwise whats the point. How is not believing my life is a dream not reasonable?
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:09 PM
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You could be speaking to the computer using Dragon speech recognition software We can't see you typing on it, how do we know it's really there?
I could, it seems kind of mundane either way.
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Proof is for liquor and mathmatics, what you mean is evidence.

Insufficient for who? Not me. I'm experiencing the keyboard as I type, if it's a dream, then it's a dream. There's nothing I can do about it, but I have to live my life as if it's real, otherwise whats the point. How is not believing my life is a dream not reasonable?
Well, according to the standards you placed upon others., it is. If the person asking for evidence is the same that decides wether it is sufficient or not, then anyone is free to see (according to the standards you are puting on here) that they beleive i God with ANY evidence as long as they beleive it is good.

For me, god is more real than the keyboard I am typing. I have no logical explanation for it, nor I need it. I feel it real. I feel it real when I am awake and when I am dreaming.

God is conciousness, you canīt prove it to others, if you feel it you feel it.

If that is not good enough for you, then that is not. Not like I think you are going to hell for it , thatīs not my God. But technically speaking and by the standards you yourself made, Any beleiver can teach his kids about God as long as they have enough evidence for themselves.
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:13 PM
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I could, it seems kind of mundane either way.
Perhaps. I just found your "Well, I'm typing on it. There you go, evidence" to be funny in light of the discussion when in fact it wasn't really evidence at all.
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:20 PM
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Well, according to the standards you placed upon others., it is. If the person asking for evidence is the same that decides wether it is sufficient or not, then anyone is free to see (according to the standards you are puting on here) that they beleive i God with ANY evidence as long as they beleive it is good.

For me, god is more real than the keyboard I am typing. I have no logical explanation for it, nor I need it. I feel it real. I feel it real when I am awake and when I am dreaming.

God is conciousness, you canīt prove it to others, if you feel it you feel it.

If that is not good enough for you, then that is not. Not like I think you are going to hell for it , thatīs not my God. But technically speaking and by the standards you yourself made, Any beleiver can teach his kids about God as long as they have enough evidence for themselves.
I am placing no more rigid evidence for gods existence then I would for anything else. If someone had an experience and claim it's evidence for them, then thats fine, but it's not evidence that could convince me, or should convince anyone else.

Conciousness - the relationship between the mind and how it interacts. Is this what your god is?

I cannot control what other's teach their kids. They're free to teach them whatever they want, but to teach them that their religion is true, without reasonable justification is wrong. Thats my opinion.
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simple enough question. Why do/ would you teach your children your beliefs as truth instead of teaching them a way to find truth?
teaching them a way to find truth is teaching them your belief as a truth.
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Perhaps. I just found your "Well, I'm typing on it. There you go, evidence" to be funny in light of the discussion when in fact it wasn't really evidence at all.
It is infact evidence. Different claims require different evidence, I don't find whether or not I'm typing to be particularly lacking of evidence. I mean obviously you know that keyboards exist and people type on them. Like I said, mundane.
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Old 08-17-2011, 11:28 PM
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I am placing no more rigid evidence for gods existence then I would for anything else. If someone had an experience and claim it's evidence for them, then thats fine, but it's not evidence that could convince me, or should convince anyone else.
Why do you get to judge what should and should not be convincing for others?
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