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Old 07-05-2011, 10:16 AM
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Question If Muhammad wasn't an actual prophet, then where did the Qur'an come from?
We all know that Muhammad (PBUH) was an unlettered man. If he wasn't actually a prophet, then where did the Qur'an come from?
It would be better if you have actually read the Qur'an in Arabic beforehand as it cannot be fully appreciated any other way.
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...from the magical game of Telephone that all historical documents pass through.
You can search for the oldest surviving copy of the Qur'an and it would be the same as the current version. What's your point?
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We all know that Muhammad (PBUH) was an unlettered man. If he wasn't actually a prophet, then where did the Qur'an come from?
It would be better if you have actually read the Qur'an in Arabic beforehand as it cannot be fully appreciated any other way.
I believe he was a genius-level mystic. The kind of natural ability that Mozart had.

The Qur'an was his interpretation of his theophanies.
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I believe he was a genius-level mystic. The kind of natural ability that Mozart had.

The Qur'an was his interpretation of his theophanies.
Again, the way the Qur'an is written and composed cannot possibly come from a regular human, much less an unlettered one. Even if he was a genius-level mystic, how could he convey his visions and theophanies in words?
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You can search for the oldest surviving copy of the Qur'an and it would be the same as the current version. What's your point?
Isn't the Sana'a manuscripts the oldest surviving copy of the Quran?
Looks like this copy has no didactic marks:
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We all know that Muhammad (PBUH) was an unlettered man. If he wasn't actually a prophet, then where did the Qur'an come from?
It would be better if you have actually read the Qur'an in Arabic beforehand as it cannot be fully appreciated any other way.
Muhammad was an intelligent man. I am not a Muslim and I do not accept the Qur'an as a Holy text but I have read much of it and do find much wisdom in it's pages. I can not say if an Angel came to him in a cave but I can say that he was inspired by peace if nothing else in the beginning and many of the latter parts are not understood by westerners and hence they will discount it as a work of hate.
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Isn't the Sana'a manuscripts the oldest surviving copy of the Quran?
Looks like this copy has no didactic marks:
There are seven punctuated versions of the Qur'an, but the punctuation doesn't change the meaning in any way that could affect or change the substance
of the texts. I'm talking about entirely different versions, like the different versions of the Bible available with completely different verses etc.

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Muhammad was an intelligent man. I am not a Muslim and I do not accept the Qur'an as a Holy text but I have read much of it and do find much wisdom in it's pages. I can not say if an Angel came to him in a cave but I can say that he was inspired by peace if nothing else in the beginning and many of the latter parts are not understood by westerners and hence they will discount it as a work of hate.
I will repeat what I said earlier: how could even an intelligent man who is unlettered convey his visions and theophanies in words that are so well-written
and eloquent if he was not a prophet?
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Again, the way the Qur'an is written and composed cannot possibly come from a regular human, much less an unlettered one. Even if he was a genius-level mystic, how could he convey his visions and theophanies in words?
You are underrating human capabilities.
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