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Old 05-08-2011, 02:34 PM
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Default Why Abrahamic faiths struggle to coexist.

They are all three very different religions all claiming to be the one of God.

All of them have different messengers, prophets, yet they have similar teachings. All teach some type of common courtesy as long as others teachings don’t go against their own. It started with Judaism, went to Christianity, and then Islam. Islam is basically Christianity, with another prophet claiming to be the last and final prophet. However, many Christians would argue that Jesus was the last and final prophet, because his Crucifixion marked the end of his ministry. All three religions mention the spread of false doctrine through false prophets. Meaning those prophets don’t follow an Abrahamic faith, yet claim to be a part of it.

Pagans use to incorporate other beliefs systems into their systems of beliefs. This also seems to be a common trend amongst Abrahamic faiths. Making Abrahamic fates seem as if it is built upon subsets. Where one ends another supposedly begins. Then cultural influences seem to get tied into them.

How do all of these religions go from an almighty, creator God, to one being based on decent through messengers and prophets without losing sight of an almighty, creator God? Why does Culture seem to cause more problems for religion than it does them good? Why would culture matter to someone else that isn’t a part of that culture? Why should it?
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Old 05-08-2011, 03:30 PM
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They are all three very different religions all claiming to be the one of God.

All of them have different messengers, prophets, yet they have similar teachings. All teach some type of common courtesy as long as others teachings don’t go against their own. It started with Judaism, went to Christianity, and then Islam. Islam is basically Christianity, with another prophet claiming to be the last and final prophet.
This is pretty much completely false.

They have similar prophets, they do have similar teachings in many parts, but also completely different teachings in other parts. And Islam is most certainly not even close to being identical with Christianity. They don't only teach common courtesy as long as others teachings don’t go against their own. That is the behavior of some these religion's followers.

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Then cultural influences seem to get tied into them.
I agree. But that isn't exclusive to Abrahamic religions.

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Why does Culture seem to cause more problems for religion than it does them good?
Honestly i don't know. May be thats not the case though, and its simply that the bad ones tend to stand out.

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Why would culture matter to someone else that isn’t a part of that culture? Why should it?
It shouldn't.

To answer the title of your OP, they don't struggle to coexist. Some of the followers struggle to coexist with followers of other religions, especially in certain cases. I would guess these people struggle to coexist for the same type of reasons most human beings struggle to coexist.
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Old 05-08-2011, 04:25 PM
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I agree. But that isn't exclusive to Abrahamic religions.

Honestly i don't know. May be thats not the case though, and its simply that the bad ones tend to stand out.

It shouldn't.

To answer the title of your OP, they don't struggle to coexist. Some of the followers struggle to coexist with followers of other religions, especially in certain cases. I would guess these people struggle to coexist for the same type of reasons most human beings struggle to coexist.
Alright - That makes sense.
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This is pretty much completely false.

They have similar prophets, they do have similar teachings in many parts, but also completely different teachings in other parts. And Islam is most certainly not even close to being identical with Christianity. They don't only teach common courtesy as long as others teachings don’t go against their own. That is the behavior of some these religion's followers.
Alright so you are saying it is strictly the behavior of some of the people that follow the religion, not the religion, just partly due to the culture of many people that follow them.

In my opinion Golden rules usually try to teach some type of common courtesy towards others. So do Golden rules pertain to the religion itself or just the culture of the people that follow the religion in your opinion? Are they universal or not?

Here is a Golden Rule of Jainism.

Nothing which breathes, which exists, which lives, or which has essence or potential of life, should be destroyed or ruled over, or subjugated, or harmed, or denied of its essence or potential.

That doesn't seem like it is part of any Abrahamic religious faiths, at least not in any of its teachings.
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They seem far too concerned with who is "more right" than actually preaching their message. A pure message for the good of society has been replaced with out-doing fellow religions.
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They seem far too concerned with who is "more right" than actually preaching their message. A pure message for the good of society has been replaced with out-doing fellow religions.
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Old 05-08-2011, 05:04 PM
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Alright so you are saying it is strictly the behavior of some of the people that follow the religion, not the religion, just partly due to the culture of many people that follow them.

In my opinion Golden rules usually try to teach some type of common courtesy towards others. So do Golden rules pertain to the religion itself or just the culture of the people that follow the religion in your opinion? Are they universal or not?
In my opinion they are universal, but some of the followers don't take it as such. You can judge for yourself each one of those three religion's stance on this issue. To avoid making a long post listing examples, you can just see this for a summary:

The Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Here is a Golden Rule of Jainism.

Nothing which breathes, which exists, which lives, or which has essence or potential of life, should be destroyed or ruled over, or subjugated, or harmed, or denied of its essence or potential.

That doesn't seem like it is part of any Abrahamic religious faiths, at least not in any of its teachings.
That depends on what this means. And depends once again on the followers, and their interpretation of their religion.
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:12 PM
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In my opinion they are universal, but some of the followers don't take it as such. You can judge for yourself each one of those three religion's stance on this issue. To avoid making a long post listing examples, you can just see this for a summary:

The Golden Rule - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Alright so Islam and Christianity clearly have two very distinct prophets that are very different. They seem to spread their messages in two very different ways. Golden rules seem to be the same with all three religions or very similar for the most part. Maybe it is just how the three different religions were spread around and influenced by others that makes it seem odd. Because in my opinion they really didn't seem to go by any of the teachings based on the Golden Rules. Much less follow them.
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That depends on what this means. And depends once again on the followers, and their interpretation of their religion.
Maybe, but some just seem to be obvious and doesn't seem like anyone would have a hard time understanding them.
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Here's an odd one for you: Although Christianity is an older religion than Islam, Islam, as a religion, more resembles Judaism than it does Christianity.
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Why Abrahamic faiths struggle to coexist.
Cause Abrahmic religions offers a set of rules/commandments whereas Dharmic ones tells the pros and cons covering various acts of life.

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[Abrahamic religions] are all three very different religions all claiming to be the one of God.


You are ignoring the fact that there are FIVE Abrahamic religions, not three!

There are also the Babi and Baha'i Faiths, both of which are eminently Abrahamic!

Nor does the Baha'i Faith--in particular--have the problems you ascribe to the others.

And its scriptures explicitly recognize the other great religions, including those not Abrahamic, as being legitimate and of God!

BTW, this whole "last prophet" thing is a canard: There has never been--nor will there ever be--a "last prophet!" Divine Revelation to humanity doesn't cease.

So you might want to consider widening your horizons just a bit. . . .

Peace, :-)

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