Noah's Ark

[Skwim]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

ok, fair enough

This discovery in 2009 for example is of an extinct giant elephant found in Indonesia
Extinct giant elephant skeleton discovered in Indonesia - Times Online

It's age is around 200,000 years old ...

Only 2 years ago, so more discoveries are not impossible

Don't know what this has to do with Noah's ark or the change in life span of humans, but it should be pointed out that the elephant you refer to is an extinct species, which means that even though today's Indonesian elephant Elephas maximus likely evolved from it, it's not the same animal.

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by Skwim

Don't know what this has to do with Noah's ark or the change in life span of humans ...

The theory that "Animals may shrink in size because of global warming" would also apply to human beings

If the Great Flood took place at a special time in history when there was an important turning point in climate change towards global warning, that would explain many things including:

1- Very heavy rainfalls (due to melting snow at the poles with rising temperatures)

2- Shrinking animals in age and size due to global warming

3- Shrinking human beings in age and size due to global warming

So if before that point in time, human beings could live up to 1,000 years, after the flood this was no longer possible due to the new environmental conditions

[Panda]

You still have not linked climate change and reduction of life span. You may have a possible link for rising temperatures causing species to favour being smaller but that is it.

[outhouse]

The flood may have been 10,000 years ago, maybe before that

let me try and help bud.

Ill explain a little about ancient hebrew culture.

its a fact hebrews as a culture started around 1250 BC ish

ancient hebrew writing goes backto about 1000BC

these writings in the bible were told from oral tradion, tales and fables passed down though the generations that pre date hebrews as a culture.

first I dont think semetic speaking people go back 10,000 years ago and if they did the oral tradition would not have survived that long.

and second we have no tales or fables that have lasted oral tradition that long.

from my research in the levant, most of the early ancient hebrew story's have heavy sumerian and egyptian influences but none from before that time.

third, the bible gives a sort of timeline for the even that doesnt go back that far.


Now it is my understanding that there is a sumerian story based on a real atested flood from 2900BC in the same exact place Noahs story originates. The sumerian version is word for word in some places that match Noahs words in the much later version. This was a regional devistating flood that must have wiped the area out by the sheer depth of silt it deposited. A man that could not excape the flood put his livestock on a barge floated out to see and was saved. upon landing like noah burned a animal sacrifice.

many semetic people migrated to end up joining the hebrew culture after 1250BC and its my understanding they brought with them these older storys the same way moses is said to have brought the tales from egypt

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by Panda

You still have not linked climate change and reduction of life span. You may have a possible link for rising temperatures causing species to favour being smaller but that is it.

Today, life spans of humans in northern countries is higher than life spans of people in hot countries

So the environment sure has an impact (and that theory is open to research), and also global warming has an impact on size:

London, Jan 5 (ANI): Ecologists have suggested that as a result of global warming, species will shrink in size, as bigger creatures will have more problems losing heat...

The degradation of natural environments around the world is having the same effect by limiting the amount of food available to animals, meaning smaller animals that need less food have a head start.

Animals may shrink in size because of global warming

[Panda]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

Today, life spans of humans in northern countries is higher than life spans of people in hot countries

Is that perhaps because the "colder countries" are the developed countries that have better medicine and such things?

[outhouse]

Originally Posted by Panda

Is that perhaps because the "colder countries" are the developed countries that have better medicine and such things?

as well as diet which plays the biggest part

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by outhouse

let me try and help bud.

Ill explain a little about ancient hebrew culture.

its a fact hebrews as a culture started around 1250 BC ish

ancient hebrew writing goes backto about 1000BC

these writings in the bible were told from oral tradion, tales and fables passed down though the generations that pre date hebrews as a culture.

first I dont think semetic speaking people go back 10,000 years ago and if they did the oral tradition would not have survived that long.

and second we have no tales or fables that have lasted oral tradition that long.

from my research in the levant, most of the early ancient hebrew story's have heavy sumerian and egyptian influences but none from before that time.

third, the bible gives a sort of timeline for the even that doesnt go back that far.


Now it is my understanding that there is a sumerian story based on a real atested flood from 2900BC in the same exact place Noahs story originates. The sumerian version is word for word in some places that match Noahs words in the much later version. This was a regional devistating flood that must have wiped the area out by the sheer depth of silt it deposited. A man that could not excape the flood put his livestock on a barge floated out to see and was saved. upon landing like noah burned a animal sacrifice.

many semetic people migrated to end up joining the hebrew culture after 1250BC and its my understanding they brought with them these older storys the same way moses is said to have brought the tales from egypt

The Bible is different from The Qur'an (reference a link posted earlier of the book of Dr. Maurice Bucaille: The Bible, The Qur'an & Modern Science)

So if the Bible suffered man-made changes over the centuries, this is no the case with The Qur'an, as it's God final guidance (according to the Muslim belief) which He has kept intact

The Qur'an does not give any dates, but gives the clue of Noah's age (950 years before the flood), and encourages us to research and investigate ...

The Flood therefore may have taken place 10,000 years ago, or even 100,000 years ago ...

If we can find a major turning point in climate change towards global warming, that is possibly when then flood took place, and we'll need to identify evidence for that ...

That's why I suggest it is a topic open to further investigation ...

[outhouse]

London, Jan 5 (ANI): Ecologists have suggested that as a result of global warming, species will shrink in size, as bigger creatures will have more problems losing heat...

by the evidence found to date from people at that time there was no dramatic size difference ever recorded in the existance of homo sapiens. that is with a 200,000 year period to base size from with hundreds of dramatic climate changes.

there were never giants and smaller races unless your dealing with homo heidebergensis

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by Panda

Is that perhaps because the "colder countries" are the developed countries that have better medicine and such things?

That is one factor

But we could compare life spans in similar countries as far as health care, say Australia and Norway ...

Hot countries suffer from illnesses and insects which don't exist in cold countries

Another subject for further research ...