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Old 03-19-2011, 04:51 PM
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Default For those who say that we stop existing once we die.

if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:05 PM
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everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist
I have heard that there are people who are unable to simulate visual environment in their mind, are you one of those? Or are you using imagine in some other fashion?
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:10 PM
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if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist,
Sorry, but nobody sane thinks that. I have no idea what gave you such an impression.

Just because we can imagine something does not mean it exists.

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so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?
Care to give us an example?
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:15 PM
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if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?
Do the chaotic and irrational worlds of our dreams exist as reality as well?
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:15 PM
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if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?
Regarding not imagining something that doesn't exist, I don't think this is the case. Novels and films make plenty of money out of imagining things that we know don't exist. The brain is adept at creating scenarios that are not true to life.
Regarding seeing dead people that we've never met in life (your last sentence) - can you provide evidence for this?
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:18 PM
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something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.
Er, really? Look up about an inch.
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Old 03-19-2011, 05:20 PM
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I have heard that there are people who are unable to simulate visual environment in their mind, are you one of those? Or are you using imagine in some other fashion?
i can visualise things in my mind, what i mean by imagine is that we see a car then latter we can visualise it in our mind, but if we haven't seen something and it doesn't exist how is it that we can imagine (visualise) it?

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

if you do not know what it looks like although it exists, then how is it possible to see something that doesn't exist, like a dead person?
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if you believe that once we die we stop existing, meaning there is no afterlife and all and we just vanish, then how is it that a living person can see a dead person who according to those of the above thinking it wold be impossible as something that doesn't exist cannot be seen nor imagined.

everyone knows we cannot imagine/see something that doesn't exist, so after a person dies and stops existing why do we still see them in our dreams? if your answer is going to be because of our memory of them when they were alive, then what about those people who see someone thats dead but that never met in real life?

any explanations regarding your views?
Are you serious?
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i can visualise things in my mind, what i mean by imagine is that we see a car then latter we can visualise it in our mind, but if we haven't seen something and it doesn't exist how is it that we can imagine (visualise) it?

example, tell me what the iranian missile called Shahab 3 looks like if you haven't seen it. do not look it up please.

if you do not know what it looks like although it exists, then how is it possible to see something that doesn't exist, like a dead person?

It looks like a long cylinder with a cone head and Fins on its tails. Its black and white mostly white and has that wierd writing on it in black.
Right or wrong I can see it in my mind.

How about this
I now see a circly pink thing kinda lumpy with black wings tiny has a funny looking nose on what maybe a face. It has 3 stumps I call legs and sort floats about. I'll call it a greabel so that we can refer to it together.

Do you see the greabel.
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