How can Christians and Muslims still maintain that Homosexuality is immoral?

[Egyptian Phoenix]

The APA has said that homosexuals do not choose to be gay, and there's no psychological indications that we do. The notions of western society are moving more and more toward that people are born gay, and science is getting closer to proving it's biological. How can a Christian or Muslim still maintain that homosexuality is immortal? If a person is born that way and it's not a conscious choice, how can it be immoral?

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by Senedjem

The APA has said that homosexuals do not choose to be gay, and there's no psychological indications that we do. The notions of western society are moving more and more toward that people are born gay, and science is getting closer to proving it's biological. How can a Christian or Muslim still maintain that homosexuality is immortal? If a person is born that way and it's not a conscious choice, how can it be immoral?

The same way that people can claim that Muslims are trying to turn the United States into a theocracy. Ignorance spreads a lot of hatred.

[Egyptian Phoenix]

Originally Posted by fallingblood

The same way that people can claim that Muslims are trying to turn the United States into a theocracy. Ignorance spreads a lot of hatred.

Since you can't seem to make answers relevant to the question, and you've turned this into bash Senedjem again, you can go on my ignore, AGAIN.

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by Senedjem

Since you can't seem to make answers relevant to the question, and you've turned this into bash Senedjem again, you can go on my ignore, AGAIN.

It was relevant to the question you asked. I answered the question, and it had nothing to do with bashing you. The fact is, ignorance spreads hate. Some Muslims and Christians are ignorant about aspects of homosexuality. In return, hatred is spread. If they were more well informed, their opinions would probably differ quite a bit.

However, I do find it hypocritical to complain about others intolerance that is based on ignorance, when supporting intolerance based on ignorance.

[TheKnight]

Originally Posted by Senedjem

The APA has said that homosexuals do not choose to be gay, and there's no psychological indications that we do. The notions of western society are moving more and more toward that people are born gay, and science is getting closer to proving it's biological. How can a Christian or Muslim still maintain that homosexuality is immortal? If a person is born that way and it's not a conscious choice, how can it be immoral?

1. The fact that the APA has said it isn't a choice doesn't mean that it isn't. The APA is not the end all be all of what is and what isn't.

2. Christianity and Islam (and Judaism I assume because Orthodoxy still maintains that homosexual conduct is immoral) do not make their notions of morality on the fickle notions of society (be it Western or Eastern).

3. Even if people are born gay, it doesn't change anything. According to Christians you are born into sin, and for religions like Islam and Judaism, your natural desire to do wrong (obviously, by our definition of wrong) doesn't make it OK to do wrong.

4.Just because it isn't a choice to be attracted to the same sex doesn't mean it isn't a choice to engage in sexual activity with the same sex. You decide and consent to engage in sexual activity with another person. Making such a decision and consenting as such is most definitely a choice.

5. Keep in mind that I am not necessarily against homosexuality, neither do I necessarily believe all of what I stated above. I'm simply answering your question (which in case you needed a reminder is why Xianity and Islam (and any religion that does presumably) maintain that homosexual(ity)/behavior is immoral).

[1am1ion]

my brother became 'gay' [wrong word]
after being raped in the military
b4 that he was straight.

sex for the sake of sex right or wrong is short sighted
it doesnt examine outcome or long term planning
like crack or meth its a temporary buzz
i

[Egyptian Phoenix]

Originally Posted by 1am1ion

my brother became 'gay' [wrong word]
after being raped in the military
b4 that he was straight.

sex for the sake of sex right or wrong is short sighted
it doesnt examine outcome or long term planning
like crack or meth its a temporary buzz
i

So to you all gay people are gay for the sake of sex? There is no love or attraction involved?

[TJ73]

Don't forget, These faiths have maintained that ALL sex, outside of marriage contract, is immoral. So that would be pre-marital, extra-marital, homosexual adn some would argue auto-erotic. We talk a lot about a need for population control. We say we have no resources.( all we waste in a day could feed and power a country) Yet God has told us to multiple and to use sex in that context with pleasure.
I certainly feel for the person that is conflicted by their sexuality. But most people will feel some conflict in their desires for sex. Although a lot of people are just of the opinion that it should be natural to have as mush in whatever manner you wish as a source of pleasure with only the responsibility to avoid disease, which ain't that easy. Condoms break, slip, fall off or get taken off way more than we are led to believe.

[Egyptian Phoenix]

TJ73: To you could homosexuality be a natural form of population control? Or to anyone for that matter? Has anyone considered that?

[ejay286]

You don't choose to be gay or straight. It's determined by a combination of biological and environmental factors. Homosexuality has been found in pretty much every species on earth that has been studied. Do Christians really believe that there are gay penguins and giraffes because they are inherently sinful? At some point the ignorance must cease.