Is God really all knowing? (translation, genesis, church, atheist)

[john313]

The king james version of the bible states in Genesis 3:8-9 "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?"
If God is all knowing how could they hide?
it continues in Genesis 3:11 "And he said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? "

If these verses refer to God, then why can God not find them and why does Hu need to ask questions?
Do these verses refer to someone other than the One true God? was there a translation error?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen003.html#8

[michel]

Originally Posted by john313

The king james version of the bible states in Genesis 3:8-9 "And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden. And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?"
If God is all knowing how could they hide?
it continues in Genesis 3:11 "And he said, Who told thee that thou [wast] naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? "

If these verses refer to God, then why can God not find them and why does Hu need to ask questions?
Do these verses refer to someone other than the One true God? was there a translation error?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen003.html#8

Hi John;
They could hide because they didn't know that God was all knowing; he knew where they were. They thought they could hide behind their shame, as they now knew it.

I don't really feel qualified to amswer questions about the specific meaning of passages in the Bible; I am not as adept as some here. But to me, that seemed the most logical.

Like when my sons were very young; and you play 'hide and seek' - James, I think it was , just used to stand without moving, covering his eyes. Because he could'nt see me, he thought I would'nt see him!

[retrorich]

I was taught that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Therefore, if God did exist (I believe He does not exist), I would hold Him responsible for ALL evil and unjust things that occur (e.g. the tsunami).

[B-Man]

Originally Posted by retrorich

I was taught that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Therefore, if God did exist (I believe He does not exist), I would hold Him responsible for ALL evil and unjust things that occur (e.g. the tsunami).

Right on.

[michel]

Originally Posted by retrorich

I was taught that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. Therefore, if God did exist (I believe He does not exist), I would hold Him responsible for ALL evil and unjust things that occur (e.g. the tsunami).

Rich, my friend;

We will obviously have to disagree on this one, unless, that is, you can accept my concept of God. This was my reply to the 'Can God hate ?' thread; just in case you missed it.

I'm with Master Vigil and Maize on this one. I cannot see God as having emotions; it is illogical. I still cannot see God as a person; I see him more as the sum total of the universe, of nature. Nature has no feelings; it is reliant on growth and decay, I believe those energies (of growth and decay)are'God'.

What does that perception of 'God' sound like to you?

[retrorich]

Originally Posted by michel

Rich, my friend;

We will obviously have to disagree on this one, unless, that is, you can accept my concept of God. This was my reply to the 'Can God hate ?' thread; just in case you missed it.

I'm with Master Vigil and Maize on this one. I cannot see God as having emotions; it is illogical. I still cannot see God as a person; I see him more as the sum total of the universe, of nature. Nature has no feelings; it is reliant on growth and decay, I believe those energies (of growth and decay)are'God'.

What does that perception of 'God' sound like to you?

Michel:

Since I do not believe there is a God, I have no personal concept of Him/Her/It. My comments in this thread are based on the concept of God taught to me in my church-going days--specifically, that God is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. I believe that a being/force/entity with such unlimited powers should use them to prevent evil and injustice. Since I am an atheist, that is just a hypothetical opinion.

[MrMorden]

there are many passages in the bible that are strictly symbolical, despite most christians' contrary claims

[Halcyon]

If these verses refer to God, then why can God not find them and why does Hu need to ask questions?
Do these verses refer to someone other than the One true God? was there a translation error?

Yeah that always confused me too, if you combine it with the passages when god talks about making man in our image implying there's more than one god being represented, plus the original (hebrew?) word for god - elohim, which is actually a plural, it's a pretty convincing argument for the god of genesis actually being a race of material or possibly non-corporeal beings, rather than the invisible super-being of more modern belief.

Or if your of the belief, as some historians are, that the books of genesis 1 and 2 are far older than the semitic race and were mearly incorporated into the OT, then the passages could be referring to the pantheistic beliefs of an older civilisation.

[MrMorden]

well if god is truly god, then he(or should i say "it") is not not a sexual being nor is it a singular being or plural being, it simply exists, and exists outside of space and time, not being confoud to anything we normally consider as normal. in other words, omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. those three words shouls ring a bell, and in fact are merely the best "human" explantions that we can come up with. dont get your idea of god confused with something a mortal wrote in his own language. if you did that then you would go around believing that all snakes are satanic, and that angels are handsome men/women with wings. theses are merely human. and should i say lacking, explanations of entities that we are unable to explain with normal space-time instruments (i.e. "eyes")

[john313]

Originally Posted by Halcyon

Yeah that always confused me too, if you combine it with the passages when god talks about making man in our image implying there's more than one god being represented, plus the original (hebrew?) word for god - elohim, which is actually a plural, it's a pretty convincing argument for the god of genesis actually being a race of material or possibly non-corporeal beings, rather than the invisible super-being of more modern belief.

Or if your of the belief, as some historians are, that the books of genesis 1 and 2 are far older than the semitic race and were mearly incorporated into the OT, then the passages could be referring to the pantheistic beliefs of an older civilisation.

Another of the meanings for elohim is the angels. When it refers to making man in our image, it is possible it is referring to the angels making man in their image? this seems to make more sense when looking at the original Hebrew; that God created the angels, then the angels created humans.