Love in the New Testament... (homosexual, evolution, gnostic, bible)

[angellous_evangellous]

I made a rather distressing discovery this afternoon. I looked up every instance in the New Testament for phileo and agape - the two words used for love - and in no case is the subject of these verbs a woman.

Indeed, Paul expresses precisely the opposite in Ephesians 5 when he tells husbands to love their wives and wives to fear their husbands.

There is one case of a phileo derivitive being used in Titus, which is a deutero-Pauline writing. If it were not there we would have no indication in the NT that women could love.

ESV Titus 2:4 and so train the young women to love their husbands and children,

BNT Titus 2:4 i[na swfroni,zwsin ta.j ne,aj fila,ndrouj ei=nai( filote,knouj

EDIT: I forgot about this one, which I think is a very late addition to the text.

Luke 7:44-47 44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet. 46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment. 47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven- for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little."

[Sunstone]

Well, my dear Angellous, the reason for it is quite simple: Women are incapable of true love. You see, women do not really love -- they merely desire or lust or wish to possess. Men, on the other hand, can truly love. That's why homosexual relationships between men are superior to heterosexual relationships between men and women. It is also why marriage between a man and a woman should be outlawed and marriage between a man and a man legalized. The proof is the Bible itself.

[Quagmire]

I think you may be missing the point Sunstone;

We all know women are evil and that marriage itself is a crime against nature (or at least common sense), just as we know that if people would just stop procreating all of mankinds ills could be wiped out within a generation or two.

But I think what AE is getting at here is; If we have to humour women, shouldn't God have to too? After all, He made them.

[Buttons*]

I believe that the Bible in use today is that way because although it probably started as a way to describe what happens in the home (and makes sense for the context back in the day) has also been tweaked quite a bit and probably all "love" that isn't man to man taken out. Gnostic scripture happens to have a bit of stuff about Yeshua and love. Including love to Miriam of Magdala. He claims he will "make her male" in spirit, and then she can be loved and honored as a man would. COMPLETELY revolutionary for his time. Incredible.

What was this thread about?

[zombieharlot]

Perhaps it seems this way because when the Bible says, "man," it often times does so to refer to mankind in general?

And could you please quote or reference what verse/es in Ephesians you are referring to?

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by zombieharlot

Perhaps it seems this way because when the Bible says, "man," it often times does so to refer to mankind in general?

And could you please quote or reference what verse/es in Ephesians you are referring to?

Is that so? Got proof, boy-Harlot?

[zombieharlot]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

Is that so? Got proof, boy-Harlot?

That the Bible uses "man" to refer to mankind?

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by zombieharlot

That the Bible uses "man" to refer to mankind?

yup.... (darn 5 character limit)

[zombieharlot]

Originally Posted by Buttons*

yup.... (darn 5 character limit)

Probably not the kind you're looking for.