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Old 05-02-2006, 07:17 AM
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i have a book called "How democracy will elect the antichrist" I have never had any doubt about it being Bush- the father and not his Idiot son. I have a strong belief in that.
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Antichrist by definition is a great enemy or opponent of Christ, and his teachings.
Many Prophets through out history have made prophecy of the coming of Antichrist.
I thought that I might post some of these prophecys for you all to digest, and in hope to shine some light on this shady character.

The First Letter Of John

2:18 "Children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come; therefore we know that it is the last hour.
2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out, that it might be plain that they all are not of us.
2:20 But you have been anointed by the Holy One, and you all know.
2:21 I write to you, not because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and know that no lie is of the truth.
2:22 Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son."
Which "character" (as in singular) is this referring to? It sounds to me like John is warning Christians about those who were once in the fold, but have left (see 2:19 especially).

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Says nothing about Antichrist there. It says something about a "beast" but there is no reason to assume it's referring to antikristos.


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8:23 "When the transgressors have reached their full measure, a king of bold countenance, one who understands riddles, shall arise.
8:24 His power shall be great, and he shall cause fearful destruction, and destroy mighty men and the people of the saints.
8:25 By his cunning he shall make deciet prosper under his land, and in his own mind he shall magnify himself. Without warning he shall destroy many; and he shall even rise up against the prince of princes; but, by no human hand, he shall be broken."
Why would you think this has to do with the Antichrist? There are lots of kings, and lots of them destroy many. An earlier verse refers to kinds of Medea and Persia (both in what is now Iran). What connection do you see with events or with the other quotes you posted?

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Please, let's NOT bring him into it. What a hack. He was a better plague physician, it seems.
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i have a book called "How democracy will elect the antichrist" I have never had any doubt about it being Bush- the father and not his Idiot son. I have a strong belief in that.
Based on...what?
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Nostradamus is a great christian prophet and many of his prophecys have come true, although it is impossible to prove unless the person rationalizes that the events are a great description of an event. It will always be controversial because all visions that the prophet receives will be symbolic and vague and even worse for the people trying to interpret it 450 years later. If he claims he has seen antichrists, I will be on the look out for them regardless of what some think. His descriptions of the antichrist are also very similar to those of Daniel and John.
Nostradamus generated his predictions through astrology.
Astrology is an ancient form of magical fortune telling.
Practising magic is forbidden by God in the Bible.

How could he therefore be a Christian, and how can Christians trust is magic?
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The talk from John about the possible descendant of the author who destroys the whole church is what he referrs to explicitly as the Red Dragon. king Minos was a Greek king who had a wife named Medea (a genesis sex witch hack, like it had already ruined early human biology and people tried to save souls) Minos "Jumped into the ocean" when Crete got too sketchy and obviously fled to a island east of there called Dragonissi, where John channeled a paragraph just in case John ****** everything up while being held prisoner on the same large island chain, and this being channeled from the opposite side of the chain. One need only look into the real greek Necronomicon to see John's egyptian slavetrader's version of the holy book of exorcism from the same place to see that John was indeed the Red dragon in all he wrote. A complete piece of ****. I love the interpretations tho...


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Based on WHAT honky?!?!!!
well besides all of the millenium literature being about Bush as the Antichrist, like the book i suggested (printed in columbia, South carolina (D.C. allusion) like and even staging a second Bush admin as to be the second beast out of the earth, the EU, which formed in 1992 at the end of the first admin probably didn't agree with a guy who has a trust fund of nazi slave labor death Kamp money from where the current Pope (1992) grew up, didn't agree at all with a goblin like that getting up there and running world capitalism, as didn't Islamic people, who in all their supposed blindness "destroyed something resembling capitalism and kept its fascist devil", whose Walker (dubya) family owned the coca cola corp in the 1800's, when its mind control was speedballs. looked like bin laden had a coke filter from all the power from the speedballs Bush put out into society. HE has even more power now. you try looking at any of the literature and you will know Bush was the definition of Antichrist for absolute fact. hItler only thought of himself as paving the way for Christ's return. at least bUsh makes no sense now.
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The character i mentioned is the character of any antichrist. John tells us that the antichrist will come from a sect that broke away from christianity or a movement of transgressors will give rise to him.
ok...is there a reason to believe this verse has to apply to the "time of the end" or could is also apply to John's time? I'm sure the early Christians had work to do to keep people from breaking off and starting "Christianity --- the alternative." All religions have that problem esp. at their earliest times.

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See definition of antichrist at the top of the page and then read about what the beast does. You will find he fits the definition of an antichrist.
It fits many possibilities. The problem I have is I've never seen any necessary connection between the two verses, esp. when taken in conjunction with other prophetic texts.

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I believe that this is another prophecy of the beast mentioned in The Revelation To John. Danial also refers to this king as a beast/animal with two horns and the beast before him as having ten horns. There are countless other similaritys between the two prophecys.

As for Irans involvment with the beast, all i can say is that we must wait and see for ourselves. Iran is threatening isreal daily with destruction while enriching uranium, and becoming a greater threat to world peace every day. So i would not be suprised.

Perhaps, except it doesn't fit any of the time-related prophecies in the Tenach or in the NT.

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Nostradamus is a great christian prophet and many of his prophecys have come true, although it is impossible to prove unless the person rationalizes that the events are a great description of an event. It will always be controversial because all visions that the prophet receives will be symbolic and vague and even worse for the people trying to interpret it 450 years later. If he claims he has seen antichrists, I will be on the look out for them regardless of what some think. His descriptions of the antichrist are also very similar to those of Daniel and John.
Then I believe you have a Biblical hurdle to jump regarding Nostradamus. In the Book of Daniel, God tells Daniel to seal up the books until the time of the end so that no one will understand them.

You now have only two choices:

1. Nostradamus understood the prophecies, so he lived in the time of the end.

2. Nostradamus did not live in the time of the end, in which case he didn't understand the books.

Which is it?
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Based on WHAT honky?!?!!!
I'm sorry you are unable to tell the difference between a chicken and a goose.

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