Koran contradiction? (Jesus, Moses, virtual, followers, hell)

[Waymarker]

Do these two Koran verses seem to contradict each other?
The first says there's no distinction between any of the prophets, but the second says there are different 'ranks' of prophets.
(I've underlined the relevant bits)

[2.136] "We believe in Allah and in that which had been revealed to us, and in that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and in that which was given to Musa[Moses] and Isa[Jesus], and in that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make anydistinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit"

[2.253] "We have made some of these apostles to excel the others, among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by many degrees of rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa[Jesus] son of Marium[Mary], and strengthened him with the holy spirit.."

[angellous_evangellous]

It seems to me that there is no distinction in the designation of "prophet" and the importance of each individual prophet.

A good example is the US Marines. There is no distinction between Marines on many levels - each Marine is always a Marine, and they have their unifying designation of "Marine," but there are many ranks and honors...

[Fatihah]

Originally Posted by Waymarker

Do these two Koran verses seem to contradict each other?
The first says there's no distinction between any of the prophets, but the second says there are different 'ranks' of prophets.
(I've underlined the relevant bits)

[2.136] "We believe in Allah and in that which had been revealed to us, and in that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and in that which was given to Musa[Moses] and Isa[Jesus], and in that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make anydistinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit"

[2.253] "We have made some of these apostles to excel the others, among them are they to whom Allah spoke, and some of them He exalted by many degrees of rank; and We gave clear miracles to Isa[Jesus] son of Marium[Mary], and strengthened him with the holy spirit.."

Response: They do not contridict at all. In the verse right before ch2:136 we read "And they say, 'Be ye Jews or Christians, then you will be fightly guided' Say 'Nay, but (follow ye) the religion of Abraham who was ever inclined (to) Allah; he was not those who associate gods".

So the distinction we are told not to make is the distinction of what religion the prophets held. They were neither followers of judaism or christianity but were ever inclined to one religion which is islam and we should make no distinction about it.

[eugenius]

Originally Posted by Fatihah

Response: They do not contridict at all. In the verse right before ch2:136 we read "And they say, 'Be ye Jews or Christians, then you will be fightly guided' Say 'Nay, but (follow ye) the religion of Abraham who was ever inclined (to) Allah; he was not those who associate gods".

So the distinction we are told not to make is the distinction of what religion the prophets held. They were neither followers of judaism or christianity but were ever inclined to one religion which is islam and we should make no distinction about it.

why did all these different religions crop up around the same time period and how can they all be correct when they contradict each other so greatly? Why is the Quran correct and not the Bible?

[Waymarker]

Christianity says "Jesus is the Son of God".
Islam says "No he's not"
Hmm quite a difference..

[Sahar]

Hello and welcome to the forum!!

"We make no distinction between any of them" means we don't accept some and deny some but we believe in all the prophets and we believe they were sent with the same message, the message of monotheism. This meaning is very clear in the verse.
So, there is not any contradiction.

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Waymarker

Christianity says "Jesus is the Son of God".
Islam says "No he's not"
Hmm quite a difference..

Precisely. That is how Muhammad can usurp Jesus because Muhammad outranks Jesus. Jesus is just a prophet of god, whereas Muhammad is the Final Prophet or the Seal of Prophets. When Jesus returns he will call mankind to Islam. It's really quite the pipe dream.

[Waymarker]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

..Jesus is just a prophet of god, whereas Muhammad is the Final Prophet or the Seal of Prophets..

Prove it..

[YmirGF]

Originally Posted by Waymarker

Prove it..

LOL. Um... I am just explaining the Islamic position here. I would not dream of attempting to prove it, as of course, it cannot be proven. What I described was pretty well how virtually all Muslims look at the situation. Perhaps you should start a new thread in the Islam Dir and wait for the responses to pile up. Better yet, read up on Jesus in Islam.

I didn't invent this drivel, but it is a fairly good bet that Muhammed did as it certainly suited his purposes. Click the pretty link and try not to choke. Jesus in Islam.

[.lava]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

Jesus is just a prophet of god, whereas Muhammad is the Final Prophet or the Seal of Prophets.

there've been maybe hundreds of Prophets but only five of them are known as Major ones. Jesus (PBUH) is of them. and no, no any Prophet and no any messenger of God is just an ordinary man. there is only one source which is Allah and each Prophet was the proxy of the very same source therefor we accept them all and every single thing any Prophet say is considered as word of God. one word of God is not less or more valuable then another word of God.

yes Mohammad (PBUH) is the last prophet. that means no more Sharia book therefor Qur'an's original text is protected by God and people would never be able to change it till the end of time.

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