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[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

2ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

In what ways have y'all seen this prophecy come true?

P.S.- If you have any question dont hisitate to ask them especiallt in your time of study if you can't understand one verse dont mind pasting it.

The leadership at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary has been a shining example of this, not only now but in the recent past as well. The way the past two presidents have gone and the way the most recent one has cleaned up the place is the way that I've seen this prophesy come true five times over.

Not something to celebrate in my opinion.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

I'm looking for quotes about;
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Is that scripture relating to those topics you're after brother ? I would sure love to read that book Jay, have you got a publisher? The lighthouse trails may be able to help out there and the berean call do their own publishing now i think.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

In my prayer life, I've been seeking complete emptiness.

Angellous, i don't mean to sound old fashioned but shouldn't a Christian be seeking to be filled. Emptied of self yes, "I must decrease He must increase."

Other than that, I am working on the Gospel of Mark in Greek, which is really exciting. I've only done chapter one, but I love to stop and meditiate on the message for a while. Hopefully I will be able to knock out five chapters a day when I start rock'n.

Did you find anything suprising in there Angellous?

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

2ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

In what ways have y'all seen this prophecy come true?

P.S.- If you have any question dont hisitate to ask them especiallt in your time of study if you can't understand one verse dont mind pasting it.

This passage is so prophetic, this describes the society I live in, but i wonder something brother, hasn't the world always been this way? Could Paul be speaking of the professing Church seeing that they have a form of godliness. Even when you look at the passage in that light you would have to say that the professing church is not free from these things and they abound more and more.

Apostasy is rife, compromise is rife, inablilty or unwillingness to endure sound docrtine is rife, inclusiveness is rife, why? Because from the very positions in the church that people look up to and follow certain men have crept in unawares. The church fell asleep, the church stopped judging, the church went experiential, the church went ecumenical, the church became afraid of losing people and their money from their congregations and so compromised the truth in exchange for their tithes.
They have turned the grace of God into laciviousness. Judgement must start at the house of God, we need a revival of truth, we need spirit filled men of God to stand up and challenge deception and error.
We need to be on our knees in repentance interceeding for our nation and our brethren as Daniel did, and do this with a sincere heart.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

Angellous, i don't mean to sound old fashioned but shouldn't a Christian be seeking to be filled. Emptied of self yes, "I must decrease He must increase."

Did you find anything suprising in there Angellous?

A translation of the Gospel According to Mark and Some Breif Study Notes

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

The leadership at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary has been a shining example of this, not only now but in the recent past as well. The way the past two presidents have gone and the way the most recent one has cleaned up the place is the way that I've seen this prophesy come true five times over.
Not something to celebrate in my opinion.

I have heard stories like this before even of pot smoking at southern baptist conventions.
Angellous can't you see, these places have become the training grounds for the ministers of satan. I think the church is under attack from many seminaries, I think that people often go in there with a sincere faith and come out ruined, i have heard many testify of this. They were just so desperate to get into the ministry so they could serve God this way but they overthrow the faith of many young willing ministers.
It's like an old time Jesuit conspiracy. Destroy mens faith in the word of God alone and they will fall on tradition and experience every doctrine being subjective and not absolute truth.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by *Paul*

I have heard stories like this before even of pot smoking at southern baptist conventions.

Well they would be much better if they did that!

Angellous can't you see, these places have become the training grounds for the ministers of satan.

I wouldn't go that far, as that makes assumptions about the students. Sure, the students are being trained by SOME profs, and especially the board members and administration, to destroy the lives of people (particularly other ministers) rather than to love others. A rigid, nonsensical dogma is more important than anything, and they are turning into little cannibals rather than ministers of God.

I think the church is under attack from many seminaries, I think that people often go in there with a sincere faith and come out ruined, i have heard many testify of this. They were just so desperate to get into the ministry so they could serve God this way but they overthrow the faith of many young willing ministers.

I've not seen this, and I have been here a long time. People who come in strong in the faith leave strong, and those who come weak either become better or get filtered out, which a seminary should do. What is disheartening for everyone is seeing leaders in ministry fail morally and spiritually... particularly ones whom the students respect.

It's like an old time Jesuit conspiracy. Destroy mens faith in the word of God alone and they will fall on tradition and experience every doctrine being subjective and not absolute truth.

In Protestantism, we're just making it up as we go along anyway. We may as well be nice while we're doing it.

[*Paul*]

Originally Posted by JayHawes

2ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves,

This is the one that really makes me pipe up, I had a brief altercation with someone on this topic before. As a part of the perilous times we live in Paul says that one of the aspects of this is that men will be lovers of their own selves.

What have we got today? What teaching is rife in evangelicalism? Self love! I hate it!! I am not ashamed to use the word hate in this context because it is as far removed from Christainity as can be. The big error taught today is that unless you learn to love yourself you can't love others. The idea is that we inately hate ourselves and must learn to love ourselves. This is a major sign of apostasy for me, again the world has always loved itself but the church has always strived to be Christ like denying self and preferring others above self, self being crucified with Christ.
How deep this error has taken root.

[ChristineES]

I read the Bible, in fact, I have every book in the Bible at least once (the only ones I have read only once are the Law books, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, and Numbers). I have also read the gnostic gospels (don't worry, after reading I know why they were not included in the Bible, ). Each time I read a book, I learn something new. I keep adding to my faith each day.
The biggest thing I have learned is that it is a hard path to follow. I watch TV shows devoid of any values at times, and I feel like I don't belong in this world. It seems the whole world is preoccupied with sex. I can barely talk to anyone without this subject creeping up. I can't read a book (outside of Christian Novels) without numerous sex references, I can't watch a tv show without s