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Old 03-03-2007, 06:40 AM
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Regular courts won't enforce that law, as it is unconstitutional, which is why tax-law violations are handled specifically by special Tax Courts run by the IRS itself. The IRS has its own legal authority to imprison and/or fine anyone that evades them.



I don't even know what to say to this...


Tax court is not run by the IRS.... I feel like I am having tea at the mad-hatter's.

http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/about.htm

Please show me the relevant case-law that shows "regular" courts refusing to uphold federal income tax law and declaring it unconstitutional.
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Old 03-03-2007, 08:37 AM
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I don't even know what to say to this...


Tax court is not run by the IRS.... I feel like I am having tea at the mad-hatter's.

http://www.ustaxcourt.gov/about.htm

Please show me the relevant case-law that shows "regular" courts refusing to uphold federal income tax law and declaring it unconstitutional.
Gah! I shouldn't have said the IRS. I meant the federal government. But they are not run in any regular court. Looking at your own link, Tax Courts are specifically designated to handle tax violations.
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Old 03-03-2007, 09:18 AM
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Gah! I shouldn't have said the IRS. I meant the federal government. But they are not run in any regular court. Looking at your own link, Tax Courts are specifically designated to handle tax violations.
Just because Congress created specific courts designated to handle tax violations does not mean regular courts did/do not uphold tax laws.
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Old 03-03-2007, 10:09 AM
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Gah! I shouldn't have said the IRS. I meant the federal government.
The federal government runs the federal tax courts? Not exactly the stuff conspiracy theories are made of. Who would you like to run them?

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But they are not run in any regular court. Looking at your own link, Tax Courts are specifically designated to handle tax violations.
Define regular court. Every court has a specific jurisdiction, tax court has jurisdiction over tax matters. It can be split up any way congress wants to pretty much, this way makes sense. We also have a special Probate court set up for dead law, but that doesn't mean that something fishy is going on, it just means things are organized.


EDIT: Anyway, when Nutshell and I agree, you know there is absolutely nothing to argue about. If there was, we would be arguing it...
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Gah! I shouldn't have said the IRS. I meant the federal government. But they are not run in any regular court. Looking at your own link, Tax Courts are specifically designated to handle tax violations.
What exactly is a "regular court"? There are all types of specific courts that are all handled by the government - traffic court, family court, small claims court, criminal court, the Supreme Court......would you like the government to have traffic court handle tax evasion?

For those of you who believe tax laws are unconstitutional, would you care to explain why?
Just for fun, here's some tax history.
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The first federal statute imposing the legal obligation to pay a federal income tax was adopted by Congress in 1862, to pay for the Civil War. The 1862 levied a 3% tax on incomes above $600, rising to 5% for incomes above $10,000. Rates were raised in 1864. This income tax was repealed in 1872, but a new income tax statute was enacted as part of the 1894 Tariff Act.[1] However, in 1895 the Supreme Court struck down a portion of the statute as unconstitutional — specifically, the tax on income from property — as an unapportioned direct tax.
At that time, the United States Constitution specified that Congress may only impose a "direct" tax if it apportions that tax among the states according to each state's census population.[2] In its 1895 decision the Supreme Court held that a tax on income from property was a direct tax under the Constitution, and so had to be apportioned.
The apportionment requirement made income taxes on property practically impossible, and Congress did not want to limit the income tax solely to a tax on wages. Therefore, in 1909 Congress proposed the Sixteenth Amendment, which became part of the Constitution in 1913 when it was ratified by the required number of states. The Amendment modified the requirement for apportionment of direct taxes by exempting all income taxes—whether considered direct or indirect—from the apportionment requirement.
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No we wouldn't.
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No we wouldn't.
LOL. frubals.

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