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Old 04-27-2009, 07:47 AM
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Or........... We could open up soup kitchens and shelters for the starving homeless people. A hot and a cot is all we owe able bodied folks who won't work.
There it is again., "able-bodied people who won't work". I agree we don't owe them much. That's the point you seem to be missing.

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Let me ask you a simple question..... Should folks on welfare have cable TV while many hard working tax payers who fund their laziness do without this service?
It depends. Are they able to work? Why do you assume it's laziness that's the reason for them to be on welfare? If you would stop making that assumption, these discussions would go a lot better and be more truthful.
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Old 04-27-2009, 09:38 AM
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I agree.
In fact, I have been complaining about this very thing for years.
The system should be revamped and designed to actually help and encourage people to be off the system.
The system needs to stop punishing those who attempt to get off the system and instead provide the support that helps them wen themselves off.

Instead the system is set up in an ALL or NOTHING do or die program.
Either you get everything or you get nothing.
And with it being set up as such, most of the time it is better to get the all than the nothing.
Especially when the economy is in the toilet.

Now don't get me wrong.
Several states have started to move from the all or nothing setup.
But they all still got a goody long ways to go.
Yes. I agree with this approach. A hot & a cot is NOT an answer.
"Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and "...yada...yada...yada.

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In Australia we have one, a tax rebated for people taking private health insurance, it will be on the news soon and a debate is looming because the government is thinking to discontinue it, what do you think of that?
I really don't know much about the politics and economics down under. But in general, I find that giving assistance/treatment AND education/training to the masses, yields a MUCH better long-term economic outcome than external or internal laissez faire; with only the wealthiest being able to afford private doctors. (at least that is the way that history has proven the issue, over, and over again.).


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I thought that private enterprises are good to a country because they introduce competition and force the public health services to lift their game up; IMO this subsidy has an adverse effect on competition.
If health-care is uniformly applied to all, then competition is a non-issue. In fact, it is impossible to define something that would be less adverse to competition.
-- Except of course, just doing away with health care all together. That always does wonders for making a strong workforce.

P.S. - Reverend Rick --- The U.S. holds approximately 600,000 -- 1,000,000 people that require shelter and food, etc... (2007-2008 statistics). A REALLY BIG majority of that is 1. mentally ill (thank you Reagan) 2. Single-parent families wherein the (almost invariably) mom can either get a job, OR raise the kids (childcare is not yet a uniform government program). 3. physically disabled. 4. Addicted to drugs, and without a government rehab program (thank you Reagan), or 5. Clean & sober, looking hard for a job, but being uneducated, and/or having a crappy personality, and/or having bad luck are jobless for the long-term.
A very, VERY tiny portion of the homeless are con-men/women who are "milking the system".

editted P.P.S. -- As to that VERY tiny portion...... Yeah. I too am for "hangin' 'em high." (not literally ), for those are the criminals who are preying upon the weakest and most destitute, in the time of their greatest need. Since it is that TINY MINORITY who make the tax-payers blindly believe that the homeless are livin' large, and lazy. Wouldn't you agree Reverend?

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Define "able-bodied." Lots of people are disabled for mental health reasons.
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I'm not sure that I've known anyone on welfare who has cable. Unless they're in a shelter that has it, in which case there's usually a fight over the remote between twenty people at a time, and it goes off at ten.
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I'm on disability and I have basic cable (which is just the broadcast networks + Discovery channel), but only because it's a package deal with my internet, whic my father is kind enough to pay for me.
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I'm on disability and I have basic cable (which is just the broadcast networks + Discovery channel), but only because it's a package deal with my internet, whic my father is kind enough to pay for me.
Disability isn't "welfare", really. I was thinking more of general relief programs.
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Yeah, but I thought it was close enough to mention.

Still waiting for someone to define "able-bodied."
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Disability isn't "welfare", really. I was thinking more of general relief programs.
Well, it isn't to you and me. I'd bet it counts as the same thing to Rick, though.
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Well, it isn't to you and me. I'd bet it counts as the same thing to Rick, though.
I would love to see your mental image of me.


I don't have one problem with disabled people if they are truly disabled.

I believe in more local charities and less in the federal government. I believe we can help folks better on a local level than we can on the federal level and have the ability to sift through the people who are in genuine need and those who are not.

I want to help folks more not less. I believe the Federal Government is inefficient and wasteful. I believe some folks slip through the cracks and do not receive help when dealing with Washington bureaucrats.
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Which brings us back to the question of how you define "able-bodied."
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