Bleeding Heart Tightwads (moral, beliefs, blood, America, preach)

[Jeremy Mason]

Originally Posted by GermanChristian

Why can't liberals focus on making the nation better as individuals first before taking the nation down a road of socialism?

Just am asking.

In Germany there's no jobs for anyone once you lose your job you're out of luck; because the Governments' oppressive taxation to pay for the many programs that take months to benefit from if at all, stifle the economy. My friend with a college degree in France (yes not Germany) has been looking for work for 2 years now.

If you can't give the most in charity, then you are a HYPOCRITE for asking others to do so in taxes.

While I'm no expert on German economy, I do know there is this thing in Europe called a Central Bank. The more you tune into the realities of that system, the more likely you'll stop blaming socialism for all your countries shortcomings. Time to go to school, enjoy.


YouTube - 1. Corrupt Banking System - Cartels Robbing the Public
YouTube - 2. Corrupt Banking System - How Money is Created (2/5)
YouTube - 3. Corrupt Banking System - Money is Debt (3/5)
YouTube - 4. Corrupt Banking System - Monetary Reform (4/5)
YouTube - 5. Corrupt Banking System - Warning About the NWO (5/5)

When your done with those, I've got some more to show you.

[Quagmire]

Originally Posted by GermanChristian

Because Christianity teaches you to help family first, then to help your neighbors second.

Um, no, it doesn't. I don't see anything in the gospels that could even be twisted into this idea.

I don't know what Bible you're reading, but I'll bet it came with a big box of crayons.

[Reverend Rick]

OK, time for the resident neo-con to weigh in here. I believe Conservative people do not believe anything the government does is efficient. They don't want their money wasted on bureaucracy. They want to help people on a local level. In other words, they want to see the direct results of their hard earned money donated.

I believe we may have tougher standards for help as well. Many times when someone comes to our church for help, we offer them a job. It is a test. Once they show up and work, they recieve far more than wages from the congregation.

Not everyone can work. That is taken into consideration. Many times we help people in need that are too proud to ask for help. When I see the direct results of my contributions, it only makes me want to give more.

As far as the Liberals being tightwads, perhaps that is a bit harsh. I think it has more to do with them not wanting to take personal responsibility for local problems. They want the nanny state to do this for them. In a nut shell, they are generous with other people's money.

My personal opinion is, I want to teach a hungry person to fish instead of giving them a fish to eat.

[PureX]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

OK, time for the resident neo-con to weigh in here. I believe Conservative people do not believe anything the government does is efficient. They don't want their money wasted on bureaucracy. They want to help people on a local level. In other words, they want to see the direct results of their hard earned money donated.

I believe we may have tougher standards for help as well. Many times when someone comes to our church for help, we offer them a job. It is a test. Once they show up and work, they recieve far more than wages from the congregation.

Not everyone can work. That is taken into consideration. Many times we help people in need that are too proud to ask for help. When I see the direct results of my contributions, it only makes me want to give more.

As far as the Liberals being tightwads, perhaps that is a bit harsh. I think it has more to do with them not wanting to take personal responsibility for local problems. They want the nanny state to do this for them. In a nut shell, they are generous with other people's money.

My personal opinion is, I want to teach a hungry person to fish instead of giving them a fish to eat.

So ... what you're saying is that you want to be in control of your philanthropy. *smile* You want to be able to pass judgment on the worthiness of the one in need, and then to manipulate their behavior by turning your help into a carrot, and your rejection into a stick.

This from those folks are are forever spouting off about too much government oversight in their lives .... hmmmmm ....

Why is everything that conservatives are involved with based on power, and force, and manipulation? Why can't they just help a guy because he needs help? And leave off the judgementalism and manipulation? Why do conservatives have CONTROL everything? And everyone?

[Apex]

Originally Posted by PureX

So ... what you're saying is that you want to be in control of your philanthropy. *smile* You want to be able to pass judgment on the worthiness of the one in need, and then to manipulate their behavior by turning your help into a carrot, and your rejection into a stick.

This from those folks are are forever spouting off about too much government oversight in their lives .... hmmmmm ....

Why is everything that conservatives are involved with based on power, and force, and manipulation? Why can't they just help a guy because he needs help? And leave off the judgementalism and manipulation? Why do conservatives have CONTROL everything? And everyone?

Did you take a class to learn how to twist someone else's words into something they are not? You did it so well I can only assume you have had some kind of special training in the skill.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Apex

Did you take a class to learn how to twist someone else's words into something they are not? You did it so well I can only assume you have had some kind of special training in the skill.

You really hate it when ugly underbellies get exposed, don't you?

PureX didn't twist anything.

[Apex]

Originally Posted by Storm

You really hate it when ugly underbellies get exposed, don't you?

Huh?

PureX didn't twist anything.

PureX's view is not what I got from Ricks post. But I know Rick is a Republican and thus is hated and despised by the majority of posters here. How dare he have a differing view point. I guess we will have to wait for Rick to let us know if PureX's view of his post is true.

[Storm]

Rick talked about testing people to see if they were worthy of charity, did he not? Shall I quote it? Of course, Rick'll never admit that PureX is right, but that doesn't change the fact that he is.

[Apex]

Originally Posted by Storm

Rick talked about testing people to see if they were worthy of charity, did he not? Shall I quote it? Of course, Rick'll never admit that PureX is right, but that doesn't change the fact that he is.

I understood it to mean they were making sure the person really was in need of charity and not just some person out looking for an easy hand out who did not truly need it. Is that not a viable interpretation of what Rick said? Do you really need to automatically assume the worst view possible or can you give the guy the benefit of the doubt? I think your feelings towards Rick, which I assume are less than friendly, are blinding you to seeing what he really said.

[Storm]

See, I think testing people at all is vulgar and shows a decided lack of compassion. As for the benefit of the doubt, after all the posts I've read from Rick, there's no doubt left.