I am sick with rage. (punishment, funerals, blood, attend)

[Sunstone]

If I had a miscarriage, I can imagine nothing so pleasant as spending the next 12 hours running around town gathering all the necessary signatures to avoid a fine of $2500 or a year in prison.

[Fluffy]

Forced miscarriage is murder....I agree that they should report all deaths to avoid abuse....I also agree that this is an exaggeration of that. They should give a grieving mother time to report it, but all deaths should be reported. That friend that Fluffy described as using miscarriage as a form of birth control should be locked up before she hurst herself or more unborn children....or anyone else for that matter.

I agree huajiro... she needs to stop at least, unfortunately she is the sister of one of those people closest to me and so I feel like my hands are tied in this case. I think its a form of denial.

[Ceridwen018]

Forced miscarriage is murder

Not even. Forced miscarriage is abortion, and under the law, abortion is not murder. How is it different if she does it herself, versus going in and having a doctor do it?

If it's not too personal a question, Fluffy, how is your friend able to so successfully make herself have a miscarriage, time and time again? I've never heard of such a thing.

[Fluffy]

She self harms around her midsection, mostly by punching or other blunt methods. I believe she also has thrown herself down the stairs on occasion. Keep in mind that I hear all of this through my friend, who is, understandably, worried about her sister so how much is true or not I am not sure since I have never actually met her sister (she lives right up in the North of England).

Don't you think there is a pretty big difference between abortion and forced miscarriage? Especially in the case of this person. The difference being in the method.

[Lintu]

Originally Posted by Ceridwen018

Not even. Forced miscarriage is abortion, and under the law, abortion is not murder. How is it different if she does it herself, versus going in and having a doctor do it?

If it's not too personal a question, Fluffy, how is your friend able to so successfully make herself have a miscarriage, time and time again? I've never heard of such a thing.

Natural abortifacients have always been used by women, for thousands of years now. I'm not going to post specifics, but there are many different kinds of things a woman can take.

[huajiro]

Originally Posted by Ceridwen018

Not even. Forced miscarriage is abortion, and under the law, abortion is not murder. How is it different if she does it herself, versus going in and having a doctor do it?

If it's not too personal a question, Fluffy, how is your friend able to so successfully make herself have a miscarriage, time and time again? I've never heard of such a thing.

I believe abortion is murder

[Jaymes]

Originally Posted by huajiro

I believe abortion is murder

That's lovely. Not the topic of this thread, though.

[Ceridwen018]

Fluffy--the methods most certainly are different. Your friend is risking her life by forcing herself to miscarry like this. She needs to be advised to stop before she causes herself permanent damage--not only from the physical trauma she inflicts on herself, but also the unseen internal trauma caused by numerous abnormal miscarriages. She is putting her life at risk by refusing to use simple and effective forms of birth control.

[Paw]

<LI>place of occurrence
<LI>usual residence of patient (mother)
<LI>full maiden name of patient
<LI>medical record number and social security number of patient
<LI>Hispanic origin, if any, and race of patient
<LI>age of patient
<LI>education of patient
<LI>sex of fetus
<LI>patient married to father
<LI>previous deliveries to patient
<LI>single or plural delivery and order of plural delivery
<LI>date of delivery
<LI>date of last normal menses and physician's estimate of gestation
<LI>weight of fetus in grams
<LI>month of pregnancy care began (sic)
<LI>number of prenatal visits
<LI>when fetus died
<LI>congenital malformations, if any
<LI>events of labor and delivery
<LI>medical history for this pregnancy
<LI>other history for this pregnancy
<LI>obstetric procedures and method of delivery
<LI>autopsy
<LI>medical certification of cause of spontaneous fetal death
<LI>signature of attending physician or medical examiner including title, address and date signed
<LI>method of disposal of fetus
<LI>signature and address of funeral director or hospital representative
<LI>date received by registrar
<LI>registrar's signature
registration area and report numbers.

So, you have a miscarriage. Now, you're stuck on this:

obstetric procedures and method of delivery

Method of delivery? Isn't there just about one that can be performed at home? And what procedures did you do? I have no idea. Too bad. You have to know in 12 hours. Can't simply skip it either.


And I don't know who noticed, but:
Delegate John Cosgrove (R-78)
Lovely Republican.