Communist: Che Guevara or China?

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

If you can't tell the difference between killing soldiers in a war, and the evil/brutal murder of innocent people because they disagree with you...

There is something fundamentally wrong with you.

What's your take on Bomber Harris?BBC - History - Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris (1892 - 1984)

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by stephenw

What's your take on Bomber Harris?BBC - History - Sir Arthur 'Bomber' Harris (1892 - 1984)

From what I read about him, I can't say I'm a fan of his.

[stephenw]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

From what I read about him, I can't say I'm a fan of his.

I'm not a big fan either but I think he usefully demonstrates that

the difference between killing soldiers in a war, and the evil/brutal murder of innocent people

is not black and white.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by stephenw

I'm not a big fan either but I think he usefully demonstrates that is not black and white.

Just the same... Che was no George Washington.

[Reverend Rick]

Originally Posted by LittlePinky82

I dare you to go down to Cuba and say those things about Che to the people who he helped free.

Do you know any Cubans LittlePinky? Have you been to Cuba? You can go there if you go to the Bahama's first.

Being a former resident of Miami, I have had the privilege of meeting many Cubanos and even went to Cuba once with one of them. I can tell you that the Cuban people want a Democracy and love the Capitalist system.

Now when you are in Cuba, you can only "think of these things". You are right though, you cannot criticize the current Cuban system. To do so will get you beaten or imprisoned. Not because anyone disagrees with you personally. Just because any and all opposition will not be tolerated by the government who has it's eyes and ears on every street corner with their local authority.

[Poisonshady313]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

Do you know any Cubans LittlePinky? Have you been to Cuba? You can go there if you go to the Bahama's first.

Being a former resident of Miami, I have had the privilege of meeting many Cubanos and even went to Cuba once with one of them. I can tell you that the Cuban people want a Democracy and love the Capitalist system.

Now when you are in Cuba, you can only "think of these things". You are right though, you cannot criticize the current Cuban system. To do so will get you beaten or imprisoned. Not because anyone disagrees with you personally. Just because any and all opposition will not be tolerated by the government who has it's eyes and ears on every street corner with their local authority.

I go to school with a cuban fellow whose feathers get ruffled at the suggestion that there's anything bad about communism, fidel castro, or che guevara. But history shows that Che was a murderous man who thought nothing of putting a bullet to the back of a man's head because he disagreed with Che.

[LittlePinky82]

Originally Posted by Reverend Rick

Do you know any Cubans LittlePinky? Have you been to Cuba? You can go there if you go to the Bahama's first.

Being a former resident of Miami, I have had the privilege of meeting many Cubanos and even went to Cuba once with one of them. I can tell you that the Cuban people want a Democracy and love the Capitalist system.

Now when you are in Cuba, you can only "think of these things". You are right though, you cannot criticize the current Cuban system. To do so will get you beaten or imprisoned. Not because anyone disagrees with you personally. Just because any and all opposition will not be tolerated by the government who has it's eyes and ears on every street corner with their local authority.

What about you? Have you actually been to Cuba yourself? Or have you only heard from people who are anti-Castro and of course will be biased? I'm not going by any of that. I'm going by people who have been there. I suggest you read these articles. Of course I doubt you will but I'll post them for anyone who is interested.

Links- Young Communist League USA - U.S. Youth Travel to Cuba in Solidarity

Young Communist League USA - Los sobrevivientes... Cuba Today and Tomorrow

People's Weekly World - U.S. youth find inspiration in Cuba

Oh and the facts are there. Cuba has a really good health care program and education in the world. Of course with health care if there wasn't the ban on Cuba's embargo it could be even better where it concerns supplies like medicine and equipment. However the Cuban people work with what they have and have done very well for themselves under their situation.

Facts about Cuba's health care-

WHO | Cuba

Regional Core Health Data System - Country Profile: CUBA

HIV & AIDS in Latin America

BMA must voice its opposition to Cuban embargo

U.S. Companies Flock To Cuba, 37 U.S. States Export Food To Cuba, More Than Any Other Country - CBS News

Just a few places to get you started on health care. Here's a few links for education.

History of Education: Selected Moments

http://lanic.utexas.edu/la/cb/cuba/a...a8/30smith.pdf

http://student.bmj.com/back_issues/0801/news/269c.html

Venezuelan and Cuban aid win fans in Bolivia - International Herald Tribune

Zenith and Eclipse: A Comparative Look at Socio-Economic Conditions in Pre-Castro and Present Day Cuba

Now you're trying to put blame on a lot of problems that Cuba has on it's government. Maybe you should look at the problems that are caused by the trade ban. Perhaps if country's lifted that ban and supplies etc. could get to Cuba you'd see a different picture. Did you ever think about that? Obviously you'd rather listen to anti-Castro propaganda instead of doing your own research.

LOL. Maybe the Cuban people you know who are now American citizen's. I dare you to actually go to Cuba yourself and ask people there if they want it. Oh and hon they do have democracy in Cuba. Their system is just as good as ours. Not perfect but it's there. I mean hell from what I understand you can even vote at the age of sixteen there! Maybe you should give some proof of this besides your claims. You know, from reliable unbiased resources? Now I gave the first links from biased resources but only because of their first hand experiences in Cuba. You gave yours so I'm giving those. Only fair right? Other wise everything else I gave was from unbiased resources. So I'll be waiting for yours, k?

Huh. Really? People criticize the Cuban system whenever they go vote hon. Maybe you should stop the cold war type rhetoric and get with the 21st century.

[LittlePinky82]

Originally Posted by Poisonshady313

I go to school with a cuban fellow whose feathers get ruffled at the suggestion that there's anything bad about communism, fidel castro, or che guevara. But history shows that Che was a murderous man who thought nothing of putting a bullet to the back of a man's head because he disagreed with Che.

LOL yeah and that never happens here in the United States. Oh and remember McCarthy? Hmm, now how did that work out again? Oh and yeah you really proved that right there. LOL. I could easily claim the same thing only opposite of course but yet no proof what-so-ever. Gotta love it. LOL. Bravo. Have you ever actually read the Communist Manifesto? Somehow I doubt it. Oh and if Che was as horrible as you all are claiming why is his picture in art work everywhere in Cuba? Explain that.