Do you think Pope is wise in making this statement even in quote? (ritual, America)

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by ‡Âlãn‡

Hardly do 'causes' require and create on purpose such responses. Only when these 'causes' act as positive commandments that are followed or have real physical power behind them should we count them as the real starter. More to often, over reaction is a great threat to peace.

*sigh*

My articulation once again sucks balls.

It is a matter of opinion. I can say the Pope is having 'over reaction' to the spread of Islamic faith, or the gradual decrease of influence of the Catholic faith or the erosion of the Pope authority that is the cause of his giving the said lecture.

[kai]

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

It is a matter of opinion. I can say the Pope is having 'over reaction' to the spread of Islamic faith, or the gradual decrease of influence of the Catholic faith or the erosion of the Pope authority that is the cause of his giving the said lecture.

thats your opinion and what did he say or do that causes so much furore really whats it all about

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by kai

thats your opinion and what did he say or do that causes so much furore really whats it all about

Explain, do not compute

[kai]

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

Explain, do not compute

insufficient data............. insufficient data


explain to me whats it all about?

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

The "sociopathic barbarism in some of the response" (whatever you like to paint them as) is the result of the provocating starter cause of the cartoons. Without the cause, there is no response. I always advocate resolve the root cause rather than clamping down the response.

I really don't think Muslims are moral imbeciles who have no control over their own actions and responses. If Christians rioted in the streets and threatened violence to Muslim leaders over perceived insults (for instance, the fact that Christianity is illegal in Saudi Arabia), nobody would say those Christians bear no responsibility for their own actions.

I find it hard to believe that Benedict wasn't being deliberately provocative. But if indeed the Emperor's statement was insulting to Islam, why aren't Muslims equally provoked by Muslims who say these same things about their own faith? Where's the Muslim indignation over terrorist bombings, honor killings, and religious persecution of non-Muslims (and Muslims of different sects)? If the Qur'an teaches there can be no compulsion in matters of faith, how can Muslims tolerate the religious policies of Saudi Arabia?

I'm no admirer of the Pope, but it seems to me that Muslims ought to have more pressing concerns at home to worry about. Where's the concern for justice? If Islam is a religion of peace, show us.

As for the Pope, when he forbids Catholics to participate in unjust wars and renounces the practice of withholding Communion from Catholics who don't vote as they're told to vote, I'll believe he's serious about peace, too.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

I really don't think Muslims are moral imbeciles who have no control over their own actions and responses. If Christians rioted in the streets and threatened violence to Muslim leaders over perceived insults (for instance, the fact that Christianity is illegal in Saudi Arabia), nobody would say those Christians bear no responsibility for their own actions.

I find it hard to believe that Benedict wasn't being deliberately provocative. But if indeed the Emperor's statement was insulting to Islam, why aren't Muslims equally provoked by Muslims who say these same things about their own faith? Where's the Muslim indignation over terrorist bombings, honor killings, and religious persecution of non-Muslims (and Muslims of different sects)? If the Qur'an teaches there can be no compulsion in matters of faith, how can Muslims tolerate the religious policies of Saudi Arabia?

I'm no admirer of the Pope, but it seems to me that Muslims ought to have more pressing concerns at home to worry about. Where's the concern for justice? If Islam is a religion of peace, show us.

As for the Pope, when he forbids Catholics to participate in unjust wars and renounces the practice of withholding Communion from Catholics who don't vote as they're told to vote, I'll believe he's serious about peace, too.

I agreed with most of what you said, but I agreed totally with what is in this article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...361716,00.html
as given by Djamila

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by kai

insufficient data............. insufficient data


explain to me whats it all about?

I am not clear of your request

[kai]

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

I am not clear of your request

what is all the fuss about what has the pope done to deserve the bombing and burning of churches etc

[sindbad5]

Originally Posted by YmirGF

A man with no tears, is a man who feels no pain. A man who feels no pain, is no longer human. It is difficult to envy one who has lost his humanity.

Think again.

thank for your good manners

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by kai

what is all the fuss about what has the pope done to deserve the bombing and burning of churches etc

You did not follow the news?

What the Pope has done is basically quote what a 14th century emporer said about Mohamad, and in quoting that, basically the Pope is hinting that he agreed with what the emperor said about Mohamad. You can find out what the emporer said yourself if you are really keen and interested and then if you still do not compute why that is so insulting to the Muslim, then perhaps you have to go to a religious school or university to study what is Islam religion