Pretext for coming Iran war...... (America, myth, prophet, experience)

[greatcalgarian]

http://www.mikerogers.house.gov/medi...iran082206.pdf

“The annihilation of the Zionist regime will come... Israel must be wiped
off the map... And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall
soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism”1
“They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this
above God, religions and the prophets.”2
“I officially announce that Iran has joined countries with nuclear
technology.”3
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

[Djamila]

Iran will be a difficult war. The public does not support their government fully, they are as torn about their leader as the Americans are about theirs. But that does not matter if a foreign army attempts to invade their country, any more than it would matter in the United States. Iranians are proud, they're convinced their country is the best in the world, and they will fight to the death united like only Americans can imagine.

That said, Ahmadinejad was elected only as a response to attempted pressure from the United States and the European Union. His election was the Iranian people's way of saying, "**** you, mind your own ****ing business!" - at considerable expense to themselves. Iranian women have taken a hit in terms of their rights and freedoms since he was elected, as have Iranian minorities. The point is, both these groups knew this in advance, and both these groups - according to everything I've seen in the press - voted for Ahmadinejad as well.

That's a lesson the West needs to learn. Deal with Iran as you would deal with the United States, or it will cost you dearly.

Lastly... Iran is trying to establish a new oil bourse in the region, and has been doing so for quite some time. Ironically, pretty much exactly the same time Iran came into the radar in Western countries as a bad guy. A new oil bourse in that region could have a detrimental effect on the value of the American dollar. So never forget this is going on behind the scenes when you watch events concerning Iran.

[greatcalgarian]

IAEA blasts U.S. intelligence report on Iran

POSTED: 8:12 p.m. EDT, September 14, 2006

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...kes/index.html


Initially, CNN posted the whole letter from IAEA, now I could not find it anymore,

another MSM conspiracy.....

[greatcalgarian]

UN blasts Congress for 'misleading' Iran report

By Sam Knight and agencies
The UN's nuclear watchdog has angrily accused American politicians of exaggerating the extent of Iran's nuclear programme and trying to discredit its inspectors.
NI_MPU('middle');In a letter given to journalists outside a board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) today, a senior official refuted a report released by the Republican-dominated House Intelligence Committee on August 23, which said that Iran would "not be satisfied until it poses a threat to the entire world".
The letter, addressed to Peter Hoekstra, the Republican chairman of the committee, accused the US congressmen of making a litany of misleading statements, as well as implying that the IAEA sidelined an inspector who believed that Iran is deceiving the body about the character of its nuclear ambitions.
In a move described by a spokeswoman as "setting the record straight" and reminiscent of disagreements between the IAEA and the Bush Administration in the run-up to the war in Iraq, the IAEA said that the congressional committee had released "erroneous, misleading, and unsubstantiated "information in its 29-page report.
The dossier openly challenged America's intelligence community, wary of failures before the September 11 attacks and then in Iraq, to make more aggressive assessments about Iran's intentions.
It carried a picture of the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, addressing a "World without Zionism" conference on its front cover and urged CIA and Pentagon intelligence analysts to "not shy away from provocative conclusions or bury disagreements in consensus assessments".
Today's letter, signed by the IAEA director for external relations, Vilmos Cserveny, chastised Mr Hoekstra and his colleagues for portraying Iran as closer to producing weapons-grade uranium than the available evidence suggested.
The IAEA also responded to a claim in the congressional report that Chris Charlier, a senior weapons inspector, had been sacked for his distrust of the Iranian regime.
The IAEA "takes strong exception to the incorrect and misleading assertion... that the Director General of the IAEA decided to 'remove' Mr Charlier, a senior safeguards inspector of the IAEA for challenging Iran about 'deception regarding its nuclear program'", the letter stated.
"The report contains an outrageous and dishonest suggestion that such removal might have been from ’not having adhered to an unstated IAEA policy barring IAEA officials from telling the whole truth about the Iranian nuclear program,’" the letter said.
The congressional committee had concluded that the IAEA's decision not to send Mr Charlier back to Iran after alleged disagreements with Iranian officials "should give US policymakers great pause".
The leader of the Democrats in the US Senate, Harry Reid, seized on the IAEA letter in a wide-ranging attack on Republic foreign policy in Congress today, accusing the Bush Administration of endangering America by failing to engage in meaningful negotiations with countries like Iran and North Korea.
"The Bush Administration apparently believes talking is a sign of weakness," he said. "This aversion to diplomacy is very hard for me to understand. I believe it is a cop out."

[greatcalgarian]

There must be a conspiracy going on. I could not locate the letter by IAEA anymore.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by Djamila

Iran will be a difficult war. The public does not support their government fully, they are as torn about their leader as the Americans are about theirs. But that does not matter if a foreign army attempts to invade their country, any more than it would matter in the United States. Iranians are proud, they're convinced their country is the best in the world, and they will fight to the death united like only Americans can imagine.

That said, Ahmadinejad was elected only as a response to attempted pressure from the United States and the European Union. His election was the Iranian people's way of saying, "**** you, mind your own ****ing business!" - at considerable expense to themselves. Iranian women have taken a hit in terms of their rights and freedoms since he was elected, as have Iranian minorities. The point is, both these groups knew this in advance, and both these groups - according to everything I've seen in the press - voted for Ahmadinejad as well.

That's a lesson the West needs to learn. Deal with Iran as you would deal with the United States, or it will cost you dearly.

Lastly... Iran is trying to establish a new oil bourse in the region, and has been doing so for quite some time. Ironically, pretty much exactly the same time Iran came into the radar in Western countries as a bad guy. A new oil bourse in that region could have a detrimental effect on the value of the American dollar. So never forget this is going on behind the scenes when you watch events concerning Iran.

Bush created or has 9/11 as the "New Pearl Harbour" to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
He, or whoever the next neocon republican President will just need a "New 9/11" to start the war on Iran. Mark my word.

[Djamila]

It won't take a new 9/11 with Iran, not at all. Iran will proudly and defiantly do everything it needs to do in order to justify a Western invasion. They're simply not afraid. I'm telling you, everything you can say about the United States in terms of patriotism, etc... is also true of Iran.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by Djamila

It won't take a new 9/11 with Iran, not at all. Iran will proudly and defiantly do everything it needs to do in order to justify a Western invasion. They're simply not afraid. I'm telling you, everything you can say about the United States in terms of patriotism, etc... is also true of Iran.

I am not arguing with you on the patriotism of Iranian. The Iraqis and the Afghanistanians also have as much pride of their own nationality than to be invaded and control by a foreign force. In the case of Afghan, Taliban kicked out the Russian, and now is working hard to kick out the American (and the Willing Coalition of the silly Nato), even though they are divided by their war lords. The situation is very similar to China during the end of Qing Dynasty and the early GuoMing era, where China was invaded by various western and eastern (Japan) power, dividing up China like a nice piece of cake. However, the nationalistic nature of the Chinese united at the end under the communist, and now is fast becoming another world power. Similarly in the case of Iraq and Afghan, the time for the US occupation will not be long. It is necessary only for these two countries to come up with a leader like Mao, and US will have to pack and leave.

It does not matter how patriotic Iranians are. If the mad neocon of US desired to start another war front there, then those poor Iranians will have to suffer the same fate of the Iraqi in the early stage of the war. Very unfortunate.

What I am trying to point out in this thread is that even up to now, we still have some group in the US trying to use the same method to start war. Very sad.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

Bush created or has 9/11 as the "New Pearl Harbour" to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq.
He, or whoever the next neocon republican President will just need a "New 9/11" to start the war on Iran. Mark my word.

What makes you think we'd elect another neocon president?

If you think that, you should pay more attention to actual Americans and not your conspiracy websites.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by Djamila

It won't take a new 9/11 with Iran, not at all. Iran will proudly and defiantly do everything it needs to do in order to justify a Western invasion. They're simply not afraid. I'm telling you, everything you can say about the United States in terms of patriotism, etc... is also true of Iran.

You're absolutely right about this one, Djamila.

It's true that most of the Persians I know are Baha'is, but they are still Persians.

I can't imagine anything that would unify the Persians faster than us invading them.

Besides, I'm wondering how we do that without actually demanding some sacrifices at home...including reinstituting the draft.

That would be political suicide, and both parties know it.