Here we go again, Bin Ladin news near to 5th anniverary of 9/11 (Jesus Christ, blood)

[Buttercup]

I think we sung GC right outta this thread.............come back CG! We like to talk about conspiracies......really we do!

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

So GC.....you think all the hijackers of 911 voluntarily died for the US government ? These Muslim men volunteered to pull off this conspiracy for George Bush huh?

There are generally two answers to your questions, which one do you want me to provide?

There are two main categories of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

1. Key individuals within the government and defense establishment "let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP). That is, they knew the attacks were coming (though there is a range of opinion about how specific their knowledge was) and undertook to weaken America's defenses sufficiently to ensure a successful major terrorist attack on home soil.
2. Key individuals within the government and defense establishment "made it happen on purpose" (MIHOP). That is, they planned the attacks (and here there is a range of opinion about what the plan was) and ultimately carried it into action.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by Buttercup

I think we sung GC right outta this thread.............come back CG! We like to talk about conspiracies......really we do!

I do not know all the songs you guys are singing along, may be if you guys care to sing some beatles song, like John Lenon "So this is Christmas....another year went by.....so merry merry christmas, and happy new year...." I may be able to participate in the caroling.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by Booko

Well, if you go carryin' pictures of Chairman Mao...
You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow!

Mao legacy is dying in China already......Now the Chinese carry only American dollars.

[Ryan2065]

Originally Posted by gc

BBC did not actually say it, but have put a question mark to it??

That doesn't make it true =) They did no stories saying it was true.

Originally Posted by gc

A German TV show found that the White House's translation of the video was inaccurate and "manipulative". Bin Laden even praised two live 'hijackers' - Wail M. Alshehri and Salem Alhazmi. Why didn't he know the names of hijackers he personally chose?

Hrm... But you see... I did a google search for this... All I found were conspiracy websites talking about this... Are there any links to say a reptuable newspaper reporting on this?

If a German TV show is this stories "smoking gun"... Heh, just wow =)

Originally Posted by gc

To be perfectly honest it is preposterous to suggest this videotape could be authentic, but lets have a look at it anyway. Here's 5 Osamas - which is the odd one out?

Even Mr Magoo would have to say that Osama 'E' stands out like a sore thumb, and this is the man confessing on the "lucky find" tape. Between the nose and the cheeks it is clear that this man is NOT Osama.

So Osama when he is not all ready for going on tv (ie has makeup and what not on to make him look healthier and all that fun stuff) looks different? Really? WOW!

Originally Posted by gc

Top Bin Laden Expert: The Tapes are Fakes

Really? Top Bin Laden expert? Wow, gosh!

So a person with a PHD in Islamic Studies who earned it in 2005 is now considered a TOP expert on Bin Laden? Or is anyone who agrees with the conspiracy theorists a "top Bin Laden expert" ?

[greatcalgarian]

That doesn't make it true =) They did no stories saying it was true.

Of course, it may not necessarily make it true, however, so the same case will be for all pro-government reports presented on ABC, CNN, BBC etc. Only AP has relatively trust worthy news or fact reporting....GC

Hrm... But you see... I did a google search for this... All I found were conspiracy websites talking about this... Are there any links to say a reptuable newspaper reporting on this?

Google is also media control, you may have to scroll down many pages before you can find some newspaper reporting on this, more likely if you can read German or French or Arabic, you may be able to google in those languages and find more reporting in those language media reputable newspaper. ....GC

If a German TV show is this stories "smoking gun"... Heh, just wow =)

I do not know. Anything can be smoking gun, can be conspiracy, can be a joke, who knows? You just have to read more and find out for yourself.....GC

So Osama when he is not all ready for going on tv (ie has makeup and what not on to make him look healthier and all that fun stuff) looks different? Really? WOW!

I do not know whether those camera crews for Osama (some of those crews are CIA agents by the way) have professional qualified make up specialists or not. You have to go to the CIA pages, and google to find out. Anyway, the difference between the video tape discovered by American soldiers in the cave is unquestionably fuzzy, and the bin laden has shorter and fatter nose, fatter cheek, used right hand to write and wear gold ring and gold watch, which were not found on any of the other bin laden tape, so you can figure out why. If it is faked by CIA, they could do a better job. I think it is more likely faked by the Northern War Lords of Afghanistan .....GC.

Really? Top Bin Laden expert? Wow, gosh!

So a person with a PHD in Islamic Studies who earned it in 2005 is now considered a TOP expert on Bin Laden? Or is anyone who agrees with the conspiracy theorists a "top Bin Laden expert" ?

Well, if some one do not have a PhD, you said he has no qualification. If some one has a PhD in Islamic Studies, you question him as well. Perhaps it has to be GWB or Cheney, or Rice, who has degrees in ??? that you would believe completely that they are expert........GC.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

There are generally two answers to your questions, which one do you want me to provide?

There are two main categories of 9/11 conspiracy theories.

1. Key individuals within the government and defense establishment "let it happen on purpose" (LIHOP). That is, they knew the attacks were coming (though there is a range of opinion about how specific their knowledge was) and undertook to weaken America's defenses sufficiently to ensure a successful major terrorist attack on home soil.

This is the answer:

Bush Sacked CIA Chief Over 9-11

by Brian Harring ?TBR News.org August 21, 2006

When George W. Bush discovered that what he called "traitors," and the Vice President called "dissident elements," in the CIA that threatened to release CIA files showing very clearly that the top leadership of the United States had been well, timely and fully informed by the Mossad about the pending attacks, he sacked George Tenent, the DCI but only after the latter agreed to destroy over a hundred highly secret CIA files, in toto, The quid pro quo for this was that Tenent would resign "with honor" and be presented with the Medal of Freedom by the President himself.

It has become evident that the Bush Administration has done everything within its power to block any official investigation into the circumstances surrounding the 9/11 attack. In previous matters, such as Pearl Harbor or the Kennedy assassination, the administrations concerned made every public effort to support official investigations, and the American media made every public effort to support findings of the various investigative bodies (but only insofar as these findings supported the administration's views).

Frantic attempts on the part of the Bush people, and especially on the part of the President himself, to either totally avoid any investigation into the background of the September 11, 2001 attacks or, second best, to completely derail it, does not speak well of its motives, but it certainly highlights their foreknowledge.

Evidence that the President and his senior staff were fully aware of the impending attacks and made no effort to stop them, issued no timely warnings to American military units to prepare for such attacks and simply awaited them with the full knowledge that they would then be able to attack and occupy Iraq, secure its enormous oil reserves and support Israeli policies in the Mid East is not only circumstantial but direct as well.

The sudden decision of the President to take his top staff with him to Florida where he read "My Pet Goat" to a class of minority children and then show absolutely no emotion when informed that there were massive terrorist attacks against American soil is quite simply not believable but his subsequent panicked flight, not to Washington but to a secure bunker in the Midwest is indeed typical of him. Bush is a physical and moral coward and his actions have never been hose of a bold or competent leader.

Franklin Roosevelt has long been suspected of knowing, through intelligence intercepts, that the Japanese were about to launch an attack against the United States and, wishing to get the United States into a European war, did and said nothing to let the approaching Japanese know he was aware of them and worse, neither Roosevelt or any of his military staff warned the U.S. military commanders at Pearl Harbor or Manila that an attack was in train.

It is never seriously been put forward that either Roosevelt or Bush actively plotted against the United States for personal or political reasons but by being fully aware, and reliably informed of a pending attack and permitting it, by default, to happen, were indeed guilty of the thousands of deaths that followed.

There are doubtlessly readers who will assume that the theme of this observation is anti-Semitic. It is not. It is more than clear that the Israeli Mossad penetrated the terrorist groups and even gave them suggestions to enhance their own abilities but one should note, very clearly, that the Israeli government most certainly notified the U.S. government, to include the White House and CIA, <>in a timely way<>. It is not the Israelis that are the target of this comment but the U.S. government, at the highest levels.

In legal terminology, a failure by one not an accessory, or a duly elected or appointed official, to prevent, or notify, of a felony is called the <>misprison of a felony<> and is a serious criminal charge, in the present case, easily grounds for impeachment.

"Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation.

The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seeks world dominance." General Leonid Ivashov.

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of the Department for General Affairs in the Soviet Union's Ministry of Defense, Secretary of the Council of Defense Ministers of the Community of Independent States (CIS), Chief of the Military Co-operation Department at the Russian Federation's Ministry of Defense, and Joint Chief of Staff of the Russian Armies. He was serving at the time of the 9/11 attacks.
www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2481.htm#002

[Ryan2065]

Originally Posted by gc

Google is also media control, you may have to scroll down many pages before you can find some newspaper reporting on this, more likely if you can read German or French or Arabic, you may be able to google in those languages and find more reporting in those language media reputable newspaper. ....GC

So google is being controlled to keep this story under wraps?

Originally Posted by gc

I do not know. Anything can be smoking gun, can be conspiracy, can be a joke, who knows? You just have to read more and find out for yourself.....GC

How can I read more? Apparently the search engines can't find what I need to look for... My point was that all the sites i looked at only ever referenced the TV show (no newspapers or anything of the sort) and I did a search and the only thing I found was the TV show that did something on that...

Originally Posted by gc

Well, if some one do not have a PhD, you said he has no qualification. If some one has a PhD in Islamic Studies, you question him as well. Perhaps it has to be GWB or Cheney, or Rice, who has degrees in ??? that you would believe completely that they are expert........GC.

No I am not saying that he might not be an expert on Islamic studies (remember thats the only qualifications they gave him) but the site said he was the TOP Bin Laden expert when he just graduated with his PHD in 2005 and they didn't list any studies of Bin Laden except him translating a video recorded in the 1990's... I was questioning the "TOP" part.

[greatcalgarian]

Originally Posted by Ryan2065

So google is being controlled to keep this story under wraps?

How can I read more? Apparently the search engines can't find what I need to look for... My point was that all the sites i looked at only ever referenced the TV show (no newspapers or anything of the sort) and I did a search and the only thing I found was the TV show that did something on that...

Google has not been completely controlled by the MSM or the CIA, however, when we go through the materials, we should often check back with wiki, which has usually both pro and contra materials, from which we select the key words to re-define the search....

It is a pity that Google has been controlled to give such a long list of search results, and ususally the first few hits are generally MSM generated. They have a way to get their web moved to the top of the list.

Sometimes you get better material by looking at some bogg sites from the google search, usually discussion there may contain better leads then shown in the google.

[greatcalgarian]

It is interesting to revisit an old article, discussing CIA connection with Osama:

Confronted with mounting evidence, the US Administration can no longer deny its links to Osama. While the CIA admits that Osama bin Laden was an "intelligence asset" during the Cold War, the relationship is said to "go way back". Most news reports consider that these Osama-CIA links belong to the "bygone era" of the Soviet-Afghan war. They are invariably viewed as "irrelevant" to an understanding of present events. Lost in the barrage of recent history, the role of the CIA in supporting and developing international terrorist organisations during the Cold war and its aftermath is casually ignored or downplayed by the Western media.
Yes, We did support Him, but "He Went Against Us"

A blatant example of media distortion is the so-called "blowback" thesis: "intelligence assets" are said to "have gone against their sponsors"; "what we've created blows back in our face."1 In a twisted logic, the US government and the CIA are portrayed as the ill-fated victims:
The sophisticated methods taught to the Mujahideen, and the thousands of tons of arms supplied to them by the US - and Britain - are now tormenting the West in the phenomenon known as `blowback', whereby a policy strategy rebounds on its own devisers. 2
The US media, nonetheless, concedes that "the Taliban's coming to power [in 1995] is partly the outcome of the U.S. support of the Mujahideen, the radical Islamic group, in the 1980s in the war against the Soviet Union".3 But it also readily dismisses its own factual statements and concludes in chorus, that the CIA had been tricked by a deceitful Osama. It's like "a son going against his father".
The "blowback" thesis is a fabrication. The evidence amply confirms that the CIA never severed its ties to the "Islamic Militant Network". Since the end of the Cold War, these covert intelligence links have not only been maintained, they have in become increasingly sophisticated.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...&articleId=369

And an updated article:
911 "Conspiracy Theorists" Vindicated: Pentagon deliberately misled Public Opinion
Military officials made false statements to Congress and to the 911 Commission
by Michel Chossudovsky
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=2887

You will see MSM shy away from points raised by Professor Chossudovsky on the connection between CIA and Osama, as well as the very silence on the reporting of whereabout of Osama on Sept 10.