Why do YOU have the right to vote on MY rights? (reject, paradise)

[jamaesi]

Mike didn't answer. He asked a question.

I answered.

[Ormiston]

Originally Posted by Victor

New Advent
By many uncivilized races, and by most civilized ones, the marriage ceremony is regarded as a religious rite or includes religious features, although the religious element is not always regarded as necessary to the validity of the union.

I have no idea where you got your information from. Care to share?

This says "marriage ceremony". Not the same thing as a marriage.

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by jamaesi

I answered.

i would like to point out that i have also answerd the same question, twice now, each time without a question! nutshel, you lack a valid response to the statements i made, and so you put up the pretence that i have not anserd your question..........

[Draka]

jamaesi and Mike182, he will not recognize your answers for the reasons I have already stated. Mainly...they don't fall into his nice little belief instructed constrains of right and wrong. There is no swaying or convincing him. Any valid answer will go overlooked or disregarded because it is something his belief will not allow him to accept or realize.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Ormiston

This says "marriage ceremony". Not the same thing as a marriage.

Most include a ceremony. It's part of the package. To deviate from that is not the norm. That's my point.

[Ormiston]

Originally Posted by Victor

Most include a ceremony. It's part of the package. To deviate from that is not the norm. That's my point.

IMO, that's what religion is for: ceremony. That's what religion is good at. What religion is not good at, again IMO, is law/government. Just look at Islamic Law in the middle east. Victor, would you mind giving an example of a common argument against gay marriage that doesn't involve the morality of it? Some example of how it would be a detriment to the "common good" of a country.

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Ormiston

IMO, that's what religion is for: ceremony. That's what religion is good at. What religion is not good at, again IMO, is law/government. Just look at Islamic Law in the middle east.

I agree. The Catholic Church learned this the hard way. I don't advocate no seperation of Church and State. I think they should be seperate. But that doesn't mean (and this is important) that religious folks should keep their mouth shut because it's a "secular matter". Securalism itself has hints of religious dogma in it already. It's produces morality from people of the US, not just from non-theist.

Originally Posted by Ormiston

Victor, would you mind giving an example of a common argument against gay marriage that doesn't involve the morality of it? Some example of how it would be a detriment to the "common good" of a country.

No can do. The very fact that you use the phrase "common good" demands me to use my morality.

[Mike182]

Originally Posted by Victor

Most include a ceremony. It's part of the package. To deviate from that is not the norm. That's my point.

so if i can provide a religious aspect to my gay marriage....... that is to say, if i can show that a form of deity i worship approves of homosexual marriage, is it then allowable?

[Ormiston]

Originally Posted by Victor

No can do. The very fact that you use the phrase "common good" demands me to use my morality.

Fair enough.

[jamaesi]

so if i can provide a religious aspect to my gay marriage....... that is to say, if i can show that a form of deity i worship approves of homosexual marriage, is it then allowable?

My G-d does. : D My G-d will accept your marriage.


... As long as there's some crabcakes. Yum. : D