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Old 03-02-2006, 12:50 PM
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Yeah? But our (homosexuals) motivation is not to alter the definition of marriage, but to receive equality and the same federal rights and benefits that heterosexuals do.
Oh, so you don't want to get "married," then. You just want benefits and tax breaks. Tell you what, why doesn't the secular government give you that and you leave "marriage" to us since that is what we want.
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Old 03-02-2006, 12:52 PM
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How does the importance of the definition of a word compare to the importance of human lives? I'm not trying to be naive, I just fail to understand where you are coming from Victor.
We believe the definition of the word has direct importance to our human lives.
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You may see me as an equal, but in regards to how any relationship of mine is viewed and treated, I am not an equal. All I want is access to the same federal rights and benefits of marriage that heterosexuals take for granted. If I get every single right as a heterosexual gets and they call it something else (just because I'm gay - which I don't see why my relationship can't be called a marriage), but it is identical. I don't really care. This is about equal rights, not about titles we put on things. I just don't see what's wrong with calling a devoted homosexual relationship a marriage.
Your statement that you "don't really care" about the title is an indication to me that you do not understand the significance of marriage. I don't care if you get secular government benefits either, but don't soil the institution of marriage, call it something else since you "don't really care."

Further, you are an equal in that you have equal rights to get married within the laws set forth by the government, the same as Victor and me.
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Tell you what, why doesn't the secular government give you that and you leave "marriage" to us since that is what we want.
Who's "we?" And hey, if you're that insecure that you can't allow homosexuals to call their relationship a marriage fine - I just want my relationship treated the same legally as a heterosexual marriage. I don't care about some stupid title or word used. I just want the same legal rights.
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I hope it doesn't seem like I'm going on a tangent with all those posts. I just haven't visited this thread in awhile and wanted to respond to the various points raised.
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but don't soil the institution of marriage,
I think heterosexuals are doing a good enough job of that on their own. And how would homosexuals "soil" marriage?
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Who's "we?" And hey, if you're that insecure that you can't allow homosexuals to call their relationship a marriage fine - I just want my relationship treated the same legally as a heterosexual marriage. I don't care about some stupid title or word used. I just want the same legal rights.
"We" is obviously those who wish to keep marriage sacred - I expect you don't understand what that means since you're hung up on legal issues. The fact that you call it "some stupid title or word" shows your ignorance regarding how "we" view marriage.

Further, I am not insecure at all. I am seeking to protect an institution created and define by God Himself.
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At least the interracial couples composed of one penis and one vagina (or one XX and one XY, if you prefer).
So that's what marriage comes down to: the ability to have penile-vaginal sexual intercourse. And here us homosexuals thought is was about love and commitment.
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I think heterosexuals are doing a good enough job of that on their own. And how would homosexuals "soil" marriage?
It is true that many heterosexual couples have damaged the instituation of marriage. Society, as a whole, is damaging this sacred institution. Adding homosexuals to marriage would only corrupt it more by taking it further away from God's original intentions.
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