Sad Story, did the man really had said that he has a bomb? (moral, choice)

[ChrisP]

Originally Posted by SoyLeche

Also, I've seen the Mythbuster's attempt at shooting a gun in a presurized airplane. The effect isn't exactly what the movies portray it to be.

Yeah but it's still not something I'd want to be having happen while I was on it. A jetway is the rampy thing you get on, on?

Meh, either way why shoot the guy? I suppose he musta looked Arab. . . . .

[Ryan2065]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

It seems, from passenger interviews, that the man was silent as he ran down the isle. The only commotion came from his wife, who was saying he had a mental condition.

From the OP's story.

Mary Gardner, a fellow passenger, told local television that the man had run frantically down the aisle of the Boeing 757 screaming while his wife tried to explain he was ill.

Originally Posted by Seyorni

The marshal's story is changing, too. Now it's claimed the "bomber" mentioned a bomb only after he'd exited the plane. So far it's not clear what prompted the air marshalls to break cover and set off in pursuit in the first place, and, apparently, the suspect had already been through several inspections, including an understandably thorough search in Medellin, Columbia.

It seems initial reports of this sort of thing almost always turn out to be rubbish, but it is these reports that capture the headlines. When the facts begin sorting themselves out they appear as a postscript at the bottom of page fourteen...

Do you have any links to the above mentioned articles?

Originally Posted by greatcalgarian

according to James E. Bauer, Alpizar "uttered threatening words that included a sentence to the effect that he had a bomb

Obviously you do not take the above to mean anything

Ok, let me rephrase... Do you believe that the Air Marshals believed the man had a bomb? If they did believe he had a bomb... what appropiate actions would they need to take to check? Maybe break cover and pull their guns on the man they thought had a bomb? Then what should they do when this man runs from them? And finally, what should they do when the running man reaches into his bag for what you believe to be a bomb?

If you believe the Air Marshals origionally did not think the man had a bomb, what evidence do you offer for this? Is there a history of AIr Marshals pulling their guns on people who never threaten the lives of others?

[Seyorni]

Originally Posted by Ryan2065

From the OP's story.

Do you have any links to the above mentioned articles?

Ok, let me rephrase... Do you believe that the Air Marshals believed the man had a bomb? If they did believe he had a bomb... what appropiate actions would they need to take to check? Maybe break cover and pull their guns on the man they thought had a bomb? Then what should they do when this man runs from them? And finally, what should they do when the running man reaches into his bag for what you believe to be a bomb?

If you believe the Air Marshals origionally did not think the man had a bomb, what evidence do you offer for this? Is there a history of AIr Marshals pulling their guns on people who never threaten the lives of others?

See if these links work, Ryan:

http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/ local/state/orl-planefolo0905dec09,0,2150280.story?coll=orl-home-headlines

http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...home-headlines

[Seyorni]

Damme!

Well, the second one seems to work, though only half the address I typed in has appeared. The complete address that made it through on the 1st link pulls up a different story than the one I pulled the adress from.

I'll never get this computer/internet thing....

[ChrisP]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

See if these links work, Ryan:

http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/ local/state/orl-planefolo0905dec09,0,2150280.story?coll=orl-home-headlines

http://www.orlandosentinal.com/news/...home-headlines

try taking the space [ ] out before local in the first one. I think that's it's problem HTML doesn't understand void

Well he's got coffee skin... Suppose that's enough in the states.

[Pardus]

Doing more damage to yourselves than the terrorists ever could.

You remove your own freedom, kill your own people, keep yourselves in a constant state of fear and lose more respect from around the world as time goes by.

Well done America.

[Seyorni]

Hear hear! Pardus.

[ChrisP]

Originally Posted by Seyorni

Hear hear! Pardus.

Ditto

[Ryan2065]

Originally Posted by Pardus

Doing more damage to yourselves than the terrorists ever could.

Yes.. because this is a far greater tragedy than 9/11 ever was....

No one is answering my questions... I'll post them in an easier format for you all...

1. Do you believe the Air Marshals believed Alpizar had a bomb and was a threat to everyone around them?
2. What do you think they should have done in this situation if they did believe him to be a threat?
3. Do you believe the Air Marshals should have ran after someone who they thought had a bomb?
4. Do you believe the Air Marshals should shoot and kill someone reaching for what they believe to be a bomb?
5. Do you believe that this would have happened if the man was on his medication?
6. Who is more at fault here, the man for being irresponsible and not taking his medication, or the Air Marshals for stopping what they percieved to be a threat to themselves and others on the plane.

I don't really see much difference between this story and a story where a police officer accidently shoots someone for reaching for, what they think to be a gun, but really is a cell phone. When someone identifies themselves as law enforcement and pulls a gun on you, you should do as they say.