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Old 12-04-2005, 10:41 AM
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I would'nt know, but a forum at this site seem to like bashing ACLU.
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I would'nt know, but a forum at this site seem to like bashing ACLU.
It's hard to tell on that site who is speaking the truth, and who is just parroting bimbo talk show hosts.
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CHRISTMAS, THE ACLU & CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

This is a great article. There is plenty of stuff in it that I don't agree with, but that's only because I'm not Christian and I don't buy into the idea that Christianity should be anything other than what it is. The most popular religion in America. But, it gives a good examination of the Constitutional aspects of the debate.

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I have never seen a single case or attempt by Congress to establish any religion that all Americans must worship. Never. Nor have I ever seen any Congress attempt to establish a mandated federal religion of any denomination. Never.

I have seen the ACLU swoop down on local school districts and threaten lawsuits if the children put on a Christmas display on school grounds or if a school wants to lead a prayer before a football game.

How could anyone interpret second graders or the teachers at Mainstream America Elementary School putting up a nativity display translate to "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"? Congress has no presence at this elementary school displaying a Nativity Scene attempting to make a law establishing any religion.

How could anyone interpret a school district which allows decades old traditions like saying a prayer before a high school or college football game as a violation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"? The prohibiting of a basketball coach sponsoring prayer at end of games and practices has absolutely nothing to with Congress standing in the locker room where a prayer is said attempting to make any law establishing any religion.
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Well, as an outsider, I haven't a clue, but do a google on "ACLU lies"........
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I would'nt know, but a forum at this site seem to like bashing ACLU.
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The problem with taking the ACLU seriously is that, like Amnesty International, the NAACP, and the BBC, they are an extremely partisan liberal activist group that operates under the guise of a well-meaning organization with a noble objective.
I like the way they liken the BBC to "a extremely partisan liberal activist group"

That site is as mixed up as this one on this issue.

The confusion is, the Distinction the americans give between their view of Liberal and libetarian.
This is not understood in european politics.

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The confusion is, the Distinction the americans give between their view of Liberal and libetarian.
This is not understood in european politics.
Ok, I think this is important. What is it that Europeans miss in the difference between liberal and libertarian?
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CHRISTMAS, THE ACLU & CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE

This is a great article. There is plenty of stuff in it that I don't agree with, but that's only because I'm not Christian and I don't buy into the idea that Christianity should be anything other than what it is. The most popular religion in America. But, it gives a good examination of the Constitutional aspects of the debate.
When any organisation including the ACLU start promoting political correctness,
they have in my view gone beyond the bounds of reasonableness.
If they kept to their charter, I for one would have no problems with their existance.

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Ok, I think this is important. What is it that Europeans miss in the difference between liberal and libertarian?
we simply do not have a recognition even of the word "libetarian" in european politics.
I for one had to look up your meaning to understand it at all.
It is simply a nonstarter as a political view here.
We understand Liberal and its many shades, and all parties endorse liberalism to a greater or lesser extent.

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